Party With Sluts : Orange Beach, AL

While all of the shirts are upsetting to me -- and I have no doubt that there would be a similar outcry and protest here if similar t-shirts were produced for my hometown -- the "Suicide Watch" shirt is *extremely* disturbing to me. I do not at all get the "humor" that is supposed to be conveyed in this shirt's message. Does anyone else get it?? Can you explain it to me??

If it's funny, it's a really sick kind of funny. I don't get it either.

nekochan wrote:

I think a reasonable anti-obscenity law would withstand court challenges. I don't think that I would go the route of trying to keep the shops from selling these things. Maybe a law to require them to cover them or put them in a separate room, but I would not try to ban them outright from being sold.

Yeah... Good thinking, Neko.

Now that you mention it, I recall reading in the news some years back *somewhere* that I lived that a city ordinance was passed requiring local shops to keep obscene and drug-related t-shirts and ball-caps in a back room or behind a curtain... Sorta like the porn section at the video store, lol.

The problem is that Orange Beach doesn't want these shirts worn in Orange Beach OR in Kansas. But I just don't know about restricting the actual sale of a phrase or of an image.

Can you buy porn magazines in Baldwin County/Orange Beach?

But I don't think you can trademark the name of a city or location.

SheSurfs wrote:

nekochan wrote:

But "Party with Sluts: Orange Beach, AL"....isn't calling every female in Orange Beach, AL a slut.

Yes, it is.

In the United States opinion is protected as a tenant of freedom of speech, falling outside the purview of libel. Citizens retain the right to comment on public figures and entities, including government and officials. Entertainment, parody, editorials and criticisms that may arguably misrepresent facts are not libelous so long as they are presented for amusement or stated as mere opinion.

Ghost_Rider1949 wrote:

SheSurfs wrote:

nekochan wrote:

But "Party with Sluts: Orange Beach, AL"....isn't calling every female in Orange Beach, AL a slut.

Yes, it is.

In the United States opinion is protected as a tenant of freedom of speech, falling outside the purview of libel. Citizens retain the right to comment on public figures and entities, including government and officials. Entertainment, parody, editorials and criticisms that may arguably misrepresent facts are not libelous so long as they are presented for amusement or stated as mere opinion.

But the community can deem them profanity, i think we will pass the law and worry about the courts later.

I don't like the "Party with Sluts" saying. It won't be a commercial success unless it is publicized.

It appears to be a first Amendment issue. As repulsive the saying is, I'll defend someone's First Amendment's Rights regarding freedom of speech to say it.

I agree, Eric. I can see a restriction on public obscenity when it comes to what is seen on a public street or beach. I cannot see outright prohibiting a business from selling a t-shirt with a vulgar phrase on it. And I do not think I want our lawmakers even going there no matter how repugnant the phrase is to me.

whowherewhy wrote:

Ghost_Rider1949 wrote:

SheSurfs wrote:

nekochan wrote:

But "Party with Sluts: Orange Beach, AL"....isn't calling every female in Orange Beach, AL a slut.

Yes, it is.

In the United States opinion is protected as a tenant of freedom of speech, falling outside the purview of libel. Citizens retain the right to comment on public figures and entities, including government and officials. Entertainment, parody, editorials and criticisms that may arguably misrepresent facts are not libelous so long as they are presented for amusement or stated as mere opinion.

But the community can deem them profanity, i think we will pass the law and worry about the courts later.

I think it is very likely the community can and will pass an ordinance prohibiting offensive shirts from being worn or diplayed in public....the "T" Shirt sellers will probably abide by that ordinance. There are plenty of shirts available that are suitable to wear in public.

The problem with an ordinance against "offensive" shirts is what exactly is the definition of offensive. What is offensive to one person isn't offensive to another.

SheSurfs wrote:

What do you think?

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2013/mar/13/vile-and-vulgar-must-go-orange-beach-ar-5790550/

Appeal and draw trash to the area? I just don't get it.

BOYCOTT: The Hangout, The Gulf, Surf Style, Alvin's Island....

Some people will do anything for a buck.

Right, Jake. Who decides? I also have that concern but then obviously, some things are going to be offensive to the majority of people...like public nudity. Or the "F" word emblazoned on a shirt. But it has to be a reasonable ordinance. And just because I don't like a t shirt doesn't mean it should be deemed offensive or obscene. If an ordinance is passed, I can see the t shirt shops pushing the edges of what is considered offensive or obscene.

I'm sure that the shirts are offensive.

I recall one time when my brother, my dad, and I were building a house and we had a car stereo (8-track) playing real loud while we worked. Woodstock was playing.

Country Joe and the Fish came on "Gimme an F"... "Gimme a U"... blared out. My dad just muttered to himself...

BINGO Neko, The best place to hit them is in the pocket by boycotting the places that sell the offensive shirts and the condos, bars, restaurants,and other places that allow people to wear them. Can you imagine people boycotting a concert, seafood festival, or the fair because of an offensive t-shirt?

Tomorrow we get an ordinance i will go and report back.....lots of questions including can we arresr someome for wearing one in public?

whowherewhy wrote:

Tomorrow we get an ordinance i will go and report back.....lots of questions including can we arresr someome for wearing one in public?

I suspect that an ordinance would end up being more akin to a moving violation. I cannot see it being an arrestable offense.

I would hope so, Ghost!
Being arrested and hauled off to jail for wearing a particular t-shirt would just be wrong on several levels.
However, would a lot of tourists really care or bother to pay the fine?

Ghost_Rider1949 wrote:

whowherewhy wrote:

Tomorrow we get an ordinance i will go and report back.....lots of questions including can we arresr someome for wearing one in public?

I suspect that an ordinance would end up being more akin to a moving violation. I cannot see it being an arrestable offense.

No this s more the offense of dad saying get out of my family's sight or i will whip your butt,,,,,while the police look the other way....

I think they should be given a ticket (a civil fine) and told to either cover up the obscene shirt on the spot or they must immediately leave the public area. And then if they refuse to comply, they can be arrested.

That's my thinking about how a clothing law should be imposed.

NO this is the way it is handled.

We surfers understand this.

I cannot believe all this punk has to do is apologize to Da Hui and walk off instead
He says just ONE MORE THING,,,hahhaahhaa

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?layout=tablet&client=mv-google&v=_qn2tdkmNr0&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2F&has_verified=1

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I'm not able to watch it.

nekochan wrote:

I'm not able to watch it.

I had to log in (I have an account to upload videos.) and jump through some username hoops.

Essentially, a surfer went out on his board while a contest was underway... he wasn't a contestant... and refused orders to go back to shore. He was obstinate throughout the video and was beaten up pretty good in the water and was beaten on the beach. His board was destroyed too.

You couldn't hear what was said, but I gather he was showing his ass and deserved a good beating.