Ron Paul and Internet Tax?

Got this in an email sponsored by Ron Paul and thought I would share although I'm totally ignorant on the subject. Whenever they ask for money I become suspect........still, thought I would share.

The only thing politicians love more than spending your money is taking more of it.

As early as next week, statists in BOTH parties are set to ram through a new taxing scheme that's been years in the works - the National Internet Tax Mandate.

Should it pass, every man, woman, and child in the country will feel the pinch as Congress takes a MASSIVE bite out of American prosperity.

Campaign for Liberty President John Tate explains below why the National Internet Tax Mandate scheme is so dangerous. Please read his email and take action IMMEDIATELY.

In Liberty,



Dr. Ron Paul

Campaign for Liberty

Call it the Valentine's Day Tax Massacre.

On February 14, 2012, statists in Congress introduced S. 336, the National Internet Tax Mandate.

Of course, the tax-and-spenders sponsoring the bill mislabeled it the "Marketplace Fairness Act."

Designed as a fat Valentine's Day "I LOVE YOU" to big spending politicians, this dangerous bill would hand the federal government massive new controls over state tax policies and set the stage for government at all levels to take another helping of your money via the Internet.

That's why it's critical you sign the petitions I've made up for you DEMANDING your Representative and Senators vote "NO" on the statists' National Internet Tax Mandate scheme.

I'll give you the link shortly, but first let me explain exactly why this is so important...

Currently, because of the Founders' vision for our country, states are "laboratories" - free to set their own tax policies.

High tax, big spending, highly regulatory state governments send businesses and citizens alike fleeing across state lines in search of more liberty.

But under the National Internet Tax Mandate scheme, the statists are setting the stage to bring it all to a crashing halt.

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Under the new National Internet Tax Mandate:

*** All Americans would see their taxes go up as big spending governors of BOTH parties work with the federal government's IRS goons to implement a state sales tax on ALL goods purchased online.

Big spending governors are running their states into bankruptcy, and - instead of reducing spending - they want the IRS to force YOU to bail them out with new Internet taxes!

*** Tax collectors in one state would now be free to pursue retailers across state lines.

For example, if a customer in New York makes a purchase from an online retailer in Texas, that retailer MUST collect New York's exorbitant sales taxes and send it to New York's tax collection agencies;

*** New and higher taxes would CRUSH economic growth and set the stage for massive new regulations that threaten the very existence of the Internet.

Make no mistake.

This is all bad enough on its face.

But it's hardly the end of it.

You and I both know, under the guise of "national security," establishment bureaucrats are already feverishly looking for new ways to trace, track, and register all Americans' online activity.

What you read. What you buy. What videos you watch. What you write about THEM.

Now the one-world socialists at the United Nations want in on the action, as well.

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Just a few months ago, the U.N. drafted a new "Telecommunications Treaty" to impose restrictive regulations, global CENSORSHIP, and a massive new tax on all Internet operations.

If ratified by the United States Senate, the United Nations' "Telecommunications Treaty" - designed to take effect in 2015 - could give control of the Internet to U.N. bureaucrats.

Ultimately, the U.N. hopes to use this scheme to take a tax bite out of the TRILLIONS of dollars exchanging hands via Internet commerce - money that will make the U.N. a true world government.

And this National Internet Tax Mandate is playing right into their hands.

That's why it's so critical you sign your No National Internet Tax Petition and make your most generous contribution of $100, $50, or $35 to C4L IMMEDIATELY.

Even if you can only chip in $20 or $10, it will make a tremendous difference.

Just like the Wall Street bailouts and the recent "deal" over tax hikes, this new National Internet Tax Mandate is "bipartisan" to its core.

And the statists in BOTH parties are determined to RAM this scheme into law quickly before you and I have a chance to react.

Governors from all over the country who literally CANNOT wait to be FORCED to raise taxes are busy bending the ears of Congress.

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Now, some of the loudest voices in Congress are Republicans who think you simply don't care about this critical issue.

Will you stand by while the big taxers impose yet another tax on hardworking Americans?

Do you simply shrug your shoulders at the thought of United Nations global socialists shutting down the free flow of information worldwide?

Or will you help me FIGHT BACK?

Please take a moment to sign your petitions DEMANDING your Representative and Senators vote "NO" on the National Internet Sales Tax IMMEDIATELY.

And if you can, please make your most generous contribution to C4L TODAY.

Your generosity will help me alert hundreds of thousands of Americans to this critical fight and stop the National Internet Tax Mandate.

C4L will use mail, email, and hard-hitting Internet ads - and even newspaper, radio, and TV ads, if necessary.

It won't be cheap.

But it will be what it takes to win.

So in addition to signing your petition, won't you please agree to your most generous contribution of $100, $50, or $35 IMMEDIATELY?

Even if all you can do is chip in $10 or $20 to this fight, please do so right away.

There's literally no time to waste.

In Liberty,

John Tate
President

P.S. Members of BOTH parties in Congress are working feverishly to unleash a new National Internet Tax Mandate.

If passed, the new National Internet Tax Mandate would hand the federal government massive new controls over state tax policies, setting the stage for government at all levels to take another helping of your money via the Internet.

That's why it's critical you sign the petitions DEMANDING your Representative and Senators vote "NO" on the statists' National Internet Tax Mandate scheme - and then make your most generous contribution of $100, $50, or $35 to C4L IMMEDIATELY.

Even if all you can do is chip in $10 or $20 to this fight, please do so right away.


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Because of Campaign For Liberty's tax-exempt status under IRC Sec. 501(C)(4) and its state and federal legislative activities, contributions are not tax deductible as charitable contributions (IRC § 170) or as business deductions (IRC § 162(e)(1)).

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Interesting post, Stormy. I just looked up the topic @Campaign for Liberty and found the below article, which you will likely also find enlightening.

Internet Tax Mandate Will NOT Save the States
By Norm Singleton on March 19, 2013 in National Blog, Uncategorized

New figures show that states that implemented Internet sales taxes raised 75-80% less than they expected to raise. For example, California was estimated to raise $457 million for online taxes but only raised $96.4 million, while New York expected to raise $2.5 billion from sales taxes and only collected $360 million.

These figures disprove the argument that the National Internet Tax Mandate will help states address their fiscal difficulties. Instead of scheming to raise taxes on their constituents, governors like Virginia’s “Tax Hike” Bob McDonnell should be working to cut wasteful state spending.

http://www.campaignforliberty.org/uncategorized/states-will-not-benefit-from-internt-taxes/

I am a proponent of all sales tax paid at the point of origination. Meaning if you buy online and that store does not have a presence in your state you pay the sales tax at the rate of the state that company is doing business in.

I agree with 3W, but I sure as hell don't want the UN to become a taxing body. Screw that!

The idea is to be fair to local brick and mortar stores that employ. Local people pay local and state taxes. It is of the most critical issue not to put them at any further disadvantage than they are already in.

And it is only right that Internet companies also pay for local governments.

If Local Option Sales Taxes... so-called LOST monies are added into the fray, can you imagine the coordination that will have to be done?

There will have to be a central database that vendors will have to query for every sale. Every county and state would have to make sure that the correct amount is listed in that database. (There is no way in HELL that every vendor could keep track of how much tax to levy.) Sales would have to keep track of the buyer's county of residence... another blank on the form. Programmers would be happy making drop-down menus...

And divvying up the money will be a bit of a nightmare, too. Monies would have to be sent to a central clearinghouse or perhaps a clearinghouse for each state. You couldn't expect vendors to send payments over 3,000 different entities.

It boggles the mind...

That is why it is so much simpler to make it point of origination!

whowherewhy wrote:

That is why it is so much simpler to make it point of origination!

How would that work Whowherewhy? (Not being argumentative, just wondering how the process would play out.)

OK, like I admitted, I'm ignorant. Is it sales tax they are attacking or "internet tax"

What is internet tax? I guess I'm totally confused. We already pay tax on our provider.....yup, I'm lost.

stormwatch89 wrote:

OK, like I admitted, I'm ignorant. Is it sales tax they are attacking or "internet tax"

What is internet tax? I guess I'm totally confused. We already pay tax on our provider.....yup, I'm lost.

Stormy, currently, many people do not have to pay a sales tax over the internet unless the company they're buying from has a physical presence (store) in the state the customer resides. If, for instance, you live in Florida and are buying something cheap from Colorado and the Colorado company doesn't have a store in Florida, you don't have to pay sales tax. Technically, you still owe Florida a tax... a USE tax, but most states do not collect this tax because most items are not costly enough to fool with it.

Alabama found out that we had a boat and that we moved to Alabama. They tried to sock it to us. We told them that we bought it in Florida, paid Florida sales tax, keep it in Florida, and we haven't taken it into Alabama waters. They couldn't say much about that.

What this proposed "Internet Tax" will do is collect sales taxes for items bought off the internet and the consumer is charged the tax in effect in their place of residence. It won't matter if the seller has a store in that state or not.

Eric wrote:

stormwatch89 wrote:

OK, like I admitted, I'm ignorant. Is it sales tax they are attacking or "internet tax"

What is internet tax? I guess I'm totally confused. We already pay tax on our provider.....yup, I'm lost.

Stormy, currently, many people do not have to pay a sales tax over the internet unless the company they're buying from has a physical presence (store) in the state the customer resides. If, for instance, you live in Florida and are buying something cheap from Colorado and the Colorado company doesn't have a store in Florida, you don't have to pay sales tax. Technically, you still owe Florida a tax... a USE tax, but most states do not collect this tax because most items are not costly enough to fool with it.

Alabama found out that we had a boat and that we moved to Alabama. They tried to sock it to us. We told them that we bought it in Florida, paid Florida sales tax, keep it in Florida, and we haven't taken it into Alabama waters. They couldn't say much about that.

What this proposed "Internet Tax" will do is collect sales taxes for items bought off the internet and the consumer is charged the tax in effect in their place of residence. It won't matter if the seller has a store in that state or not.

Thanks, Eric. I reread and understand. Agree, the UN does NOT need to be involved! I do a lot of internet shopping and very, very rarely don't pay tax. It wouldn't seem to be a huge issue, but guess it is?

If this tax passes, it will put a lot of small internet sellers out of business.

Several years ago, I had a small online business selling seeds I harvested from my own gardens. If I had been forced to look up the individual state taxes from each and every buyer I had, and then submit the tax paid to that state, I would have closed shop immediately. Also, it would have cost me more to submit the tax to each individual state by snail mail than the tax would have been in the first place.

We can kiss a bunch of eBay sellers good bye if this passes.

Good point, PB.

PBulldog2 wrote:

If this tax passes, it will put a lot of small internet sellers out of business.

Several years ago, I had a small online business selling seeds I harvested from my own gardens. If I had been forced to look up the individual state taxes from each and every buyer I had, and then submit the tax paid to that state, I would have closed shop immediately. Also, it would have cost me more to submit the tax to each individual state by snail mail than the tax would have been in the first place.

We can kiss a bunch of eBay sellers good bye if this passes.

I read another article on this last night and apparently, they have this covered. The bill I read about last night would apply to internet sellers with over $1 Million in sales annually.

Eric wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

If this tax passes, it will put a lot of small internet sellers out of business.

Several years ago, I had a small online business selling seeds I harvested from my own gardens. If I had been forced to look up the individual state taxes from each and every buyer I had, and then submit the tax paid to that state, I would have closed shop immediately. Also, it would have cost me more to submit the tax to each individual state by snail mail than the tax would have been in the first place.

We can kiss a bunch of eBay sellers good bye if this passes.

I read another article on this last night and apparently, they have this covered. The bill I read about last night would apply to internet sellers with over $1 Million in sales annually.

Like I said, that would be me. I sold lots and lots of seeds that year....

What I am saying is the tax should be applied to online orders and taxed at the rate in place in the sellers state county etc. therefore you would simply remit an Internet sale as any other sale,

While this could hurt small sellers it is patently unfair for anyone making an investment i a brick and mortar store to have to charge sales taxes while those online sellers without a presence do not.

I believe it is a huge amount of revenue lost by the states.

A point of origination tax is easy and fair. Each state collects from the businesses in their own state regardless of shipping destination

That I would consider. In fact, I was surprised to learn there was no sales tax due when I started my business simply because I was making sales online.

I thought you meant buyers would have pay the tax rate in their own state, forward it to me with the price of the product and I, as the seller of record, would send it back to the state. That is formidable to even think about!

PBulldog2 wrote:

Eric wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

If this tax passes, it will put a lot of small internet sellers out of business.

Several years ago, I had a small online business selling seeds I harvested from my own gardens. If I had been forced to look up the individual state taxes from each and every buyer I had, and then submit the tax paid to that state, I would have closed shop immediately. Also, it would have cost me more to submit the tax to each individual state by snail mail than the tax would have been in the first place.

We can kiss a bunch of eBay sellers good bye if this passes.

I read another article on this last night and apparently, they have this covered. The bill I read about last night would apply to internet sellers with over $1 Million in sales annually.

Like I said, that would be me. I sold lots and lots of seeds that year....

Dam girl! That's a bunch of seeds! Kudos!!

I just shudder when the govt gets anymore involved than it is........but that's the libertarian in me.

I also shudder when they want more money seeing how they spent the boookooo dollars they already have from usins.

Hahaaaaa.....I may have sold a million seeds, but I sure didn't make a million dollars.

PBulldog2 wrote:

Hahaaaaa.....I may have sold a million seeds, but I sure didn't make a million dollars.

Damn, I was going to ask for a low-interest loan...