Police Statistics

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/why-is-it-so-hard-to-track-police-killings/394772/?google_editors_picks=true

PkrBum wrote:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/why-is-it-so-hard-to-track-police-killings/394772/?google_editors_picks=true

Very difficult for accuracy when law enforcement eliminate a suspect in a shoot-out and they still count the elimination as a 'killing'...Not a surprise that there would be a move to pad or increase the numbers in order to make an agenda driven point rather than say...separating in tracking those shootings that were ruled 'good or justified' as opposed to those that are not but this would require investigations...inquiries...judicial proceedings all to have concluded and that once again is not the desired effect...It's much more desirable for some to be able to grab that headline and begin prosecution through the media and public opinion rather than actual facts/evidence...

If the govt can classify the multitude of ways that citizens can kill each other...

I'm certain there is a way to categorize police actions and violence.

An honest and objective analysis relies on facts... good or bad.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/05/eric-peters/revoke-their-immunity/

Those wearing state-issued uniforms enjoy something called qualified immunity – an obnoxious doctrine that sets them apart as a special class under the law. A protected class.

Which inevitably becomes an entitled class. Armed to the teeth – and turned loose on us.

Is it surprising that excesses occur?

Cops have every incentive to behave badly. Are rewarded for being irresponsible.

And so they do – and are.

Agreed... there has also been an extremely harmful strategy called the plus one rule. This has allowed the police to always bring greater and greater force and weaponry into play... even if the threat is contrived or perceived.

I don't necessarily want to condemn police for the govt not keeping track of these things. There are simple common sense reasons that play into interactions with police... such as that police go where crime is... period. To ignore that and call the police presence in poor/minority neighborhood racist is agenda driven and ignores realities.

In my 54 years of living and being a law abiding citizen I have never experienced the "excesses" of a uniformed servant of the people.

Should we take into consideration that people who do come in contact with these "excesses" might be suspect of breaking the law?

I think it's odd that out of the recent issues with the police that we question every move the police force makes.

We continue to tear down the structure. All for the "rights" of the people.

Obey the laws.

Unless, of course, you are rebellious and have an affinity to structured rules and outcomes.

We should always question and hold accountable every aspect of govt imo.

So, police for the police? Is that where we are?

Linda wrote:

So, police for the police?  Is that where we are?

Of course, we never left "there"....

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWsU_zXphuk

Like the military in places like Afghanistan and Iraq who see what war is really like and would rather be at home, Police (with the exception of course of the VERY small percentage of bad apples that get all attention) would much rather complete a work shift without any problems. Police see the criminals daily and are close up witnesses to the results of criminal behavior. They can't turn their head and pretend criminals are merely oppressed and unfortunate people.

Walk in their shoes for a minute......

nochain wrote:

Like the military in places like Afghanistan and Iraq who see what war is really like and would rather be at home, Police (with the exception of course of the VERY small percentage of bad apples that get all attention) would much rather complete a work shift without any problems. Police see the criminals daily and are close up witnesses to the results of criminal behavior. They can't turn their head and pretend criminals are merely oppressed and unfortunate people.

Walk in their shoes for a minute......

You're asking the impossible for some.....

nochain wrote:

Like the military in places like Afghanistan and Iraq who see what war is really like and would rather be at home, Police (with the exception of course of the VERY small percentage of bad apples that get all attention) would much rather complete a work shift without any problems. Police see the criminals daily and are close up witnesses to the results of criminal behavior. They can't turn their head and pretend criminals are merely oppressed and unfortunate people.

Walk in their shoes for a minute......

A true statement. However, as in Ferguson, the police have turned their heads and only answer calls for help or crime being reported. That surely is not the answer.

I had someone explain their opinion to me that an approach to a problem can be either like a waffle (straight lines that criss-cross) or spaghetti (where does the line go?)

Emotions are the dimension that many avoid and it sure throws the wrench into the works.

Linda wrote:

nochain wrote:

Like the military in places like Afghanistan and Iraq who see what war is really like and would rather be at home, Police (with the exception of course of the VERY small percentage of bad apples that get all attention) would much rather complete a work shift without any problems. Police see the criminals daily and are close up witnesses to the results of criminal behavior. They can't turn their head and pretend criminals are merely oppressed and unfortunate people.

Walk in their shoes for a minute......

A true statement.  However, as in Ferguson, the police have turned their heads and only answer calls for help or crime being reported.  That surely is not the answer.

I had someone explain their opinion to me that an approach to a problem can be either like a waffle (straight lines that criss-cross) or spaghetti (where does the line go?)    

Emotions are the dimension that many avoid and it sure throws the wrench into the works.  

A bullet resistant vest has panels in the front and the back---for very good reason....

As posted several times before....when these incidents happen and the national/state/local leaders(?) and the usual race baiting suspects can do nothing but point fingers and blame not just the guilty or suspected but law enforcement officers in general...officers are going to be more cautious when it comes to being pro-active in their duties...it's society that dictates and makes the laws and who/how they are enforced...Don't think it's a coincidence that in NYC rapes...murders and violent crimes are up partially due to DiBlassio in his infinite wisdom of stopping--- stop and frisk along with his anti-law enforcement rhetoric....Now those that supported this nutjob mayor are complaining about the rising violence.... Therefore, as 'nochain' stated you now have a reactive force that simply goes from call to call after the harm/crime has been committed....

There's no room for "stop and frisk" in a free country... none.

No matter the rational.

Linda wrote:

nochain wrote:

Like the military in places like Afghanistan and Iraq who see what war is really like and would rather be at home, Police (with the exception of course of the VERY small percentage of bad apples that get all attention) would much rather complete a work shift without any problems. Police see the criminals daily and are close up witnesses to the results of criminal behavior. They can't turn their head and pretend criminals are merely oppressed and unfortunate people.

Walk in their shoes for a minute......

A true statement.  However, as in Ferguson, the police have turned their heads and only answer calls for help or crime being reported.  That surely is not the answer.

I had someone explain their opinion to me that an approach to a problem can be either like a waffle (straight lines that criss-cross) or spaghetti (where does the line go?)    

Emotions are the dimension that many avoid and it sure throws the wrench into the works.  

I sure don't know the answer but the problem has a lot to do with media hysteria about isolated incidents, putting out information that stirs people up and in too many cases is found to be wrong because in their haste to make a news splash they fail to get the facts. Of course the media then fails to adequately admit their error so the average Joe on the street sails along thinking their outrage is justified or in too many cases thinks it's all a cover-up. One thing is certain, Police are human too, I'm sure some think that if whatever they do is wrong given a mere second or two in most cases to make a life-changing decision they probably ask themselves why they would invite being placed in such a position.

PkrBum wrote:

There's no room for "stop and frisk" in a free country... none.

No matter the rational.

Its a tool to be used in high crime areas and it is and has been useful....When officer(s) see suspicious/reasonable suspicion activities in an area that has had high crime then it's proactive to make contact with the individuals and when contact is initiated then for officer safety the citizen contacts are recorded and passed along and has lead to solving crime(s)...If a business has had several burglaries and individuals are observed in that location what's the harm of getting out with them?....There have been many examples that the fine upstanding citizens are found to be in possession of illegal contraband and/or weapons....if nothing else weapons/contraband are then taken off the street....Now, under these circumstances the pro-active actions are slowing or stopping and the criminals are once again running the streets...not just an opinion but the rising violent crime stats prove it...

Classic progressive rational for govt overreach. See the fourth amendment.

Yet people wonder why the govt wields such enormous power today... lol.