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PostSubject: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:01 pm

Just watching the news. I hate it that the protesters shut down the Trump rally because even he deserves his freedom of speech. I love it that so many young people came out to protest the Trump rally though. I've been hoping the millennials would show up and care about politics eventually, and this seems like the moment it's happening.

And I'm glad that the Trump voters are finally seeing that there's some anger on the other side too. It's directed at their bigotry and the hate they're preaching and I love it that the young people are reacting against those things. It gives me hope for the future of this country.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:22 am

The ONLY thing it proves is that the protesters are anti Trump law breakers..  I said lawbreakers because I doubt they had a permit to protest.. Trump cancelled the rally to protect both his followers and the animals protesting him from being injured in fights.. I've NEVER heard of Trump supporters protesting Hillary's rallies because they have more class than that..
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:15 am

Give me a break.

Donald Trump gets more free speech than anyone else in the country, so, just "no." The free speech IS the people protesting his rally. Helllooo!!

You cannot seriously believe that Trump gives one single shit about the protesters or anyone else besides himself. If you believe that you have been brainwashed by the propaganda. He is motivated purely by personal and political gain. Figure out what he gained from canceling and you have figured out why he canceled, and in this case it's door #2, political gain... because it would have looked bad if he didn't.

Trump supporters have "class"? Psh! That's hysterical.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:16 pm

Their right is to peaceable assembly. I abhor the trump campaign... but if this is the new standard for the first amendment then so be it. I don't think the results will be good... infact I know they won't. I just insist that we play by ONE set of rules and ethics.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:42 pm

Agreed. However, there must a “clear and present danger” or an “imminent incitement of lawlessness” before free-assembly rights may be restricted.

I don't have a tv and my internet connection sucks, so maybe there's something I'm missing here, but from where I sit what I can see is that a Trump supporter punched a protester in the face while he was being escorted out. And this was after Trump said he'd like to punch a protester in the face. Did I miss something?
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:52 pm

Was it a Trump supporter or two Trump protesters that had it all planned out? Was the one that punched the protester arrested?? I have no idea.. What would have happened if it was a Hillary protester that was hit by a Trump supporter at a Hillary campaign stop?? Obviously, the protester wanted his 15 seconds of fame.. I haven't heard 1 word about Trump or any other supporters going to Hillary's rallies to protest her..
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:52 am

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Their right is to peaceable assembly. I abhor the trump campaign... but if this is the new standard for the first amendment then so be it. I don't think the results will be good... infact I know they won't. I just insist that we play by ONE set of rules and ethics.

When moveon.org releases a statement---Trump and Trump supporters better be on notice that we will stop Donald Trump and the GOP...that pretty much explains this mess oh, and by the way Bill Ayers [domestic terrorist and friend of the cowh] also helped organize this mess in Chicago...Again the some liberals say they support free speech and first amendment rights but say something they don't like and agree with they will suppress or attempt to suppress the first amendment rights of others....They were quick to organize this but still have the same mayor Emanuel that hide an alleged murder video in order to get re-elected strange how that is swept away from such morale attitudes by some on the left...Lastly it wasn't the Trump supporters acting like thugs...
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:42 pm

They had the right to protest and in fact, were provided a place to do so. Lines were crossed by both sides, judging from the videos on TV.

You can't support Trump's free speech and not support the right of protesters to protest.  
And yes, the man with the cowboy hat who punched the protester was arrested.
By the police. For assault. He broke the law.
I think that proves that at least one of the Trump supporters WAS a thug.
Even though he was a white man punching a black man in the face.
He was the thug.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:40 am

Eddard wrote:
They had the right to protest and in fact, were provided a place to do so. Lines were crossed by both sides, judging from the videos on TV.

You can't support Trump's free speech and not support the right of protesters to protest.  
And yes, the man with the cowboy hat who punched the protester was arrested.
By the police. For assault. He broke the law.
I think that proves that at least one of the Trump supporters WAS  a thug.
Even though he was a white man punching a black man in the face.
He was the thug.

So lets get this straight....if people like those evil Koch Brothers lost their minds and gave money and helped organize protesters at bernie and hrc campaign events and they created havoc and punched supporters of these candidates/rushed the stage then those on the left would blame the candidates and the content of their speeches for the outbursts?....If the Koch Bros then answered and warned the candidates that they should now be on notice for further protests....that would also be acceptable?....As far as the moron that you refer to in the cowboy hat...he was arrested/charged so what's the whining about that?. Had he not been arrested then it would be understandable but to attempt to make that an issue is...well lacking of logic.....He's an idiot and should be held accountable for his criminal actions...Has nothing to do with race or anything else... he broke the law...
This crap in Chicago was the work of George Soros....moveon.org....Bill Ayers and his wife....they've owned up to it...

These pos will protest hiding behind their free speech rights by suppressing someone else's...gotta be proud of that....Lastly they don't like Trump and they have the right to protest but inside the venue that candidate is paying for that space...and they should have been arrested....This is not a defense of Trump and not supportive of his speech and rhetoric but free speech is either a right for all or not and the left has a history of this behavior...one reason may be that conservatives can't protest/disrupt events because someone has to work in this country....
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:28 am

Protesting is one thing, being violent while doing so is another thing entirely.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:40 am

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Protesting is one thing, being violent while doing so is another thing entirely.

Organized criminal activity....imagine that it happened in Chicago.....Remember the place where the mayor [friend of the cowh and hrc] allowed video of an alleged murder[murder in Chicago who'd have thunk it] to be hidden in order not to interfere with his re-election....These baffoons protest a speech and yet when there is something of importance to be addressed....there's silence and the 'godfather' remains the mayor....
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:31 am

Wow the next thing you'll see is that Fox will cancel their next debate due to lack of Trump. Oh they did cancel their next debate due to lack of Trump.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:57 am

In another Pulitzer Prize winning article a liberal MSM site reported that lightening struck the Trump Tower building.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:07 pm

C'mon, guys. Have you ever heard Hillary or Sanders incite their supporters with saying things like I'd punch him in the face? Trump whips his supporters into a frenzy and acts like it wasn't his fault when mayhem ensues.

He gets so many protesters because he says such outrageous shit and angers a hell of a lot of people.

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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:07 am

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C'mon, guys.  Have you ever heard Hillary or Sanders incite their supporters with saying things like I'd punch him in the face?  Trump whips his supporters into a frenzy and acts like it wasn't his fault when mayhem ensues.  

He gets so many protesters because he says such outrageous shit and angers a hell of a lot of people.

   It was the cowh in a campaign quoting from the Untouchables about the readiness for a fight with republicans....we won't be unprepared like bringing a knife to a gun fight.....At the hrc rally when she heard from a lady that she would like to either punch or choke Carly Fiorina....May want to consider some of the language and rhetoric used when the named politicians have spoken about police shootings---that didn't pour gas on the fire?..These same candidates have been very silent on the murder of law enforcement officers and the cover-up of an 'alleged' murder by Chicago's mayor--wonder why they aren't calling for him to be removed from office?....The cowh and his comments prior to knowing the facts certainly didn't calm racial tensions...As far as sanders does his rhetoric and rants about the 'evil rich' and 'corporations' inspire some to take actions like they did stalking ceo's at their homes?....
   These examples like many other things can always be an excuse for an individual to conduct themselves in an inappropriate/criminal way....but that doesn't or shouldn't be acceptable and make the individuals not responsible for their actions...Right now it's popular and fashionable to blame anything Trump says and hold him accountable for the actions others may take....what's amazing that when there were riots these same standards weren't applied to others...George Soros has warned there will be an escalation of protests to silence Trump and the GOP----that's acceptable?....
   Once again, this is not support or an endorsement of the rhetoric of Donald Trump [or anyone else] but rather a reminder that if he's to be held by certain standards then all candidates should be held to the same standards...To be honest when I hear all this talk about a fractured...brokered convention and the establishment elitists would somehow change/bend rules and deny overwhelming front runner the nomination...I thought there would be riots if this were to be the case...Not Baltimore...Ferguson....Philly...etc., riots but a messy floor of the convention where anger and chaos would be front and center....The tactic is the wanna stay in control establishment will do anything that Trump says or does and attempt to make political gain in order to hijack an election process which if true will only confirm the suspicions of those that are already fed up with this type of thinking/bullshit....
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:12 am

Some people just like confrontation for any reason.. Even though it might be legal, it isn't ethical.. Imagine what would happen if the Republican supporters sent people to the Democrat candidates rallies with the purpose of protesting.. Imagine if the media reported the full story about the protesters..
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:44 am

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Some people just like confrontation for any reason..  Even though it might be legal, it isn't ethical..  Imagine what would happen if the Republican supporters sent people to the Democrat candidates rallies with the purpose of protesting..  Imagine if the media reported the full story about the protesters..  

They can't....the middle class [what's left] has to WORK!....Like posted before if the Koch Brothers did what Soros is doing the msm certainly wouldn't treat them the same....
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:11 pm

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Some people just like confrontation for any reason..  Even though it might be legal, it isn't ethical..  Imagine what would happen if the Republican supporters sent people to the Democrat candidates rallies with the purpose of protesting..  Imagine if the media reported the full story about the protesters..  

Like this incident "A Seattle speech by Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was pre-empted in a chaotic confrontation Saturday afternoon with a pair of Black Lives Matter protesters, who took the stage and refused to let him speak." http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

Trumps rhetoric upsets some people just as it's designed to do, giving voice to a bunch of frustrated voters sick and tired of being told to be politically correct to avoid "offending" hypersensitive people who think they are the only ones allowed to say whatever they want, wherever they want.

Also he's shrewd enough to get free maximum air time - priceless during a campaign.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:45 pm

It appears that the UIC police chief issued 'stand down' orders at Trump's Chicago rally.  According to an article at FoxNews.com, the disturbance could have been avoided if the police had done their job.

The link and first two paragraphs of the article are below.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/18/police-union-chicago-trump-rally-chaos-did-not-have-to-escalate-chief-issued-stand-down-orders.html?intcmp=hpbt2

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A union that represents 54 officers from the University of Illinois at Chicago Police Department is speaking out—arguing the chaotic Donald Trump rally on campus last week did not have to escalate to an extreme level of disorder and could have continued as planned.

The Metropolitan Association of Police Board Director, Ray Violetto, tells Fox News that UIC Police Chief, Kevin Booker, issued unusual stand-down orders including instructions that officers not bring pepper spray or wear dark gloves to the Trump rally—items the union officers say are basic and necessary equipment in any type of crowd control.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:20 am

nochain wrote:
Jake92 wrote:
Some people just like confrontation for any reason..  Even though it might be legal, it isn't ethical..  Imagine what would happen if the Republican supporters sent people to the Democrat candidates rallies with the purpose of protesting..  Imagine if the media reported the full story about the protesters..  

Like this incident "A Seattle speech by Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was pre-empted in a chaotic confrontation Saturday afternoon with a pair of Black Lives Matter protesters, who took the stage and refused to let him speak." http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

Trumps rhetoric upsets some people just as it's designed to do, giving voice to a bunch of frustrated voters sick and tired of being told to be politically correct to avoid "offending" hypersensitive people who think they are the only ones allowed to say whatever they want, wherever they want.

Also he's shrewd enough to get free maximum air time - priceless during a campaign.

    Some in the media have been bitchin and moanin that "Take Back Our Country".....is hate speech!....Guess that means whatever any candidate says may 'offend' and cause some weak minded... hypersensitive... ..living in mom and dads basement...video game playing....entitlement leech a reason to go off the rails....It's just too bad they don't have some responsibilities in their lives and dare say without offending....JOBS!.....
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:55 am

Oh sure... throw the J word in there. Obama has told us this week that we have much to learn from the admirable communist system. Apparently the gold standard for human rights and a thriving economy... who knew?
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:26 pm

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Oh sure... throw the J word in there. Obama has told us this week that we have much to learn from the admirable communist system. Apparently the gold standard for human rights and a thriving economy... who knew?

Perhaps the empty suit should have said learn "what not to do".

I mean we could also learn how to grow sugar (Oh wait, we already do that in Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana and Texas), maybe how to roll a cigar, Oh wait, we already have many Cuban expats doing that.....

Perhaps we could teach illegals in this country how to build rafts to make the trip to Cuba.....after all Oblamer thinks Cuba is wonderful. It certainly could be but not with the current Cuban political environment.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:23 pm

Remember back when the tea baggers would shut down the town hall meetings... me neither



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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:52 am

nochain wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Oh sure... throw the J word in there. Obama has told us this week that we have much to learn from the admirable communist system. Apparently the gold standard for human rights and a thriving economy... who knew?

Perhaps the empty suit should have said learn "what not to do".

I mean we could also learn how to grow sugar (Oh wait, we already do that in Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana and Texas), maybe how to roll a cigar, Oh wait, we already have many Cuban expats doing that.....

Perhaps we could teach illegals in this country how to build rafts to make the trip to Cuba.....after all Oblamer thinks Cuba is wonderful. It certainly could be but not with the current Cuban political environment.

Of course he does....it's a communist nation....Surprised that bernie didn't take time off the campaign trail to go with him...Maybe a retirement place for him in January...
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Rally canceled in Chicago   Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:53 pm

Why would Bernie want to go to a communist nation?  He is not a communist.

From: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/do-you-know-the-difference-between-a-communist-and-a-socialist-a6708086.html

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You can see that's where democratic socialism arises. That philosophy, Quill writes, seeks “democratic control of sectors of society and economy in order to avoid the pitfalls of an unregulated market and — this is most important — the kind of terrible authoritarian government that emerged in the Soviet Union.”

...When we teach about the different types of economies,” Waite said, “the first thing we do is we talk about economic questions. How is it made? Who makes it? Who gets to buy it? Based on the economy, different people answer those questions.”

“In a communist country, the government answers those questions. There's no private business. There's no private property. The government decides.”

“In a capitalist society, the people make those decisions. The businesses, the market decides how much products will cost, how many there are, where it will be made.”

“In the socialist system, there's a mix of both. The government operates the system to help all, but there is opportunity for private property and private wealth. That's generally how we talk about it.” Back to Quill's point: A socialist government could control all of the means of production — or it could, for example, use taxes to redistribute resources among the population.

Both Quill and Waite note that the United States is not a purely capitalist society. There are and have long been socialist aspects to how the government makes decisions and applies its power, while still striving to keep the marketplace as free as possible. And, of course, while allowing democratic decisions to guide what it does.

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