Police Chief killed

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Well since we have these nuts threatening the police let's just give the police unconstitutional powers to stop,, invade and detain EVERYBODY !...All that land of the free tripe is just a joke...

I don't think anyone wants the police to have unlimited powers.

First off the police ARE CIVILIANS... They are not military no matter how much they dress and behave like them... They are under laws no different from us. There has been a drift towards giving these soldier wanntabes extra powers not given to regular civilians, that should be rolled back and soon.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

First off the police ARE CIVILIANS... They are not military no matter how much they dress and behave like them... They are under laws no different from us. There has been a drift towards giving these soldier wanntabes extra powers not given to regular civilians, that should be rolled back and soon.

What extra powers?....The power is derived from legislation...state statutes. city/county regulations...if laws need to be changed/amended then so be it but the police enforce [or should] laws...ordinances that are on the books....As pointed out several times here...it's the selective enforcement that causes problems--like the Feds and the immigration laws.. which by the lack of or instructing not to enforce trickles down to state/county/city agencies...

mediawatcher wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

First off the police ARE CIVILIANS... They are not military no matter how much they dress and behave like them... They are under laws no different from us. There has been a drift towards giving these soldier wanntabes extra powers not given to regular civilians, that should be rolled back and soon.

    What extra powers?....The power is derived from legislation...state statutes. city/county regulations...if  laws need to be changed/amended then so be it but the police enforce [or should] laws...ordinances that are on the books....As pointed out several times here...it's the selective enforcement that causes problems--like the Feds and the immigration laws.. which by the lack of or instructing not to enforce trickles down to state/county/city agencies...

What planet you living on ?  Cops regularly kill people in their custody either intentionally or accidentally and walk. They use deadly force quite often where it is not called for where if a citizen did they would be in prison before the smoke cleared the barrel. They jump on and beat people to death or strangle them to death and walk away with a paid vacation....they fire rubber bullets and bean bags at peaceful protesters ....can I go shoot the neighbors for being to loud ?..LOL

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

mediawatcher wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

First off the police ARE CIVILIANS... They are not military no matter how much they dress and behave like them... They are under laws no different from us. There has been a drift towards giving these soldier wanntabes extra powers not given to regular civilians, that should be rolled back and soon.

    What extra powers?....The power is derived from legislation...state statutes. city/county regulations...if  laws need to be changed/amended then so be it but the police enforce [or should] laws...ordinances that are on the books....As pointed out several times here...it's the selective enforcement that causes problems--like the Feds and the immigration laws.. which by the lack of or instructing not to enforce trickles down to state/county/city agencies...

What planet you living on ?  Cops regularly kill people in their custody either intentionally or accidentally and walk. They use deadly force quite often where it is not called for where if a citizen did they would be in prison before the smoke cleared the barrel. They jump on and beat people to death or strangle them to death and walk away with a paid vacation....they fire rubber bullets and bean bags at peaceful protesters ....can I go shoot the neighbors for being to loud ?..LOL

You mentioned extra powers and still have not provided any explanation as to what extra powers law enforcement has been granted...They use deadly force quite often---that's not a true statement whatsoever and not backed by stats that show only a small percentage of officers in a career use deadly force or even use their firearm...
'They jump on and beat people to death or strangle them to death and walk away with paid vacation'---Just for NO reason officers just do this?...If you're going to make these allegations at least do it with some logic and reasoning...That's not saying that there are officers that have/are/will use excessive force unjustified and they should be dealt with on an individual basis and not lumping the actions of some on all...
I really hope you're not speaking about the most recent problems in Missouri when speaking about the 'peaceful protesters'....There were hundreds of peaceful non-violent protests that took place with no problems---but those weren't on the front page....The thugs from elsewhere where prominently featured...the ones chucking large pieces of cement...looting....rioting....causing property damage to businesses..

Your last comment is so ridiculous that it proves the point of what I'm posting...if you believe that law enforcement does as you allege then there's no reasoning/discussing with that mindset...You want to lump all together then that's your bias...

Name an occupation that doesn't have some bad apples?... Are all teachers, priests, preachers, doctors, lawyers [maybe some leeway here], nurses, on and on all criminals because some have been criminals...well if it isn't fair to those groups than what's the difference with law enforcement?....

your avatar must be a lie...or else you have a selective filter on your mediawatching.. rampant police thuggery everywhere you look...seen with an open mind..yeah warrior cops is nothing to worry about...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/frightening-new-reason-to-fear-police/

Earlier this year the American Civil Liberties Union became concerned about the issue, saying in March it was filing a series of open records requests in 25 states and National Guard offices in an attempt to discover the extent to which federal funding have helped local police departments become more militarized.

“Federal funding in the billions of dollars has allowed state and local police departments to gain access to weapons and tactics created for overseas combat theaters – and yet very little is known about exactly how many police departments have military weapons and training, how militarized the police have become, and how extensively federal money is incentivizing this trend,” the ACLU said on its website.

While the issue is now beginning to generate concern over perceived threats to constitutional liberties by the Obama administration in light of the IRS and NSA scandals, WND founder and CEO Joseph Farah began reporting the trend to militarize the police in 1998.

In a column headlined “The cops are out of control,” Farah lamented that while in years past seeing a police officer gave him a sense of security, it was no longer the case because of recent actions by SWAT teams.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/frightening-new-reason-to-fear-police/#juguHIyLHbmsA1sY.99

http://www.wnd.com/1998/10/1239/ <----written in 1998 ..but you must have missed every story in between then and now...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

your avatar must be a lie...or else you have a selective filter on your mediawatching.. rampant police thuggery everywhere you look...seen with an open mind..yeah warrior cops is nothing to worry about...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/frightening-new-reason-to-fear-police/

Earlier this year the American Civil Liberties Union became concerned about the issue, saying in March it was filing a series of open records requests in 25 states and National Guard offices in an attempt to discover the extent to which federal funding have helped local police departments become more militarized.

“Federal funding in the billions of dollars has allowed state and local police departments to gain access to weapons and tactics created for overseas combat theaters – and yet very little is known about exactly how many police departments have military weapons and training, how militarized the police have become, and how extensively federal money is incentivizing this trend,” the ACLU said on its website.

While the issue is now beginning to generate concern over perceived threats to constitutional liberties by the Obama administration in light of the IRS and NSA scandals, WND founder and CEO Joseph Farah began reporting the trend to militarize the police in 1998.

In a column headlined “The cops are out of control,” Farah lamented that while in years past seeing a police officer gave him a sense of security, it was no longer the case because of recent actions by SWAT teams.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/frightening-new-reason-to-fear-police/#juguHIyLHbmsA1sY.99

Those are certainly issues that should be discussed/debated/defined...Law Enforcement is not different than other occupations in that its constantly evolving and the areas of responsibilities that are to be provided have also expanded...Whether you agree/disagree the first responders are named because they are going to be first on the scenes of a lot of different emergencies/disasters thus either you provide the equipment necessary or change the role of the first responders...

If memory serves correct it was the cowh that proposed/suggested the creation of a national police force---do not support that in any way shape or form especially with the scandals that you've pointed out...If that is the thought among most then there has to be specialized units within the police departments to handle situations...Should they be responsible/accountable for their actions--of course...Should they be trained and have policies/guidelines to govern their actions-of course...which by the way they are...

How about the thought that...[Some] People are out of control and have resorted to an escalation of measures of violence not only against Law Enforcement but other citizens...Look at the example of Chicago and some other areas nationwide...that's not the fault of the police...

Nothing is ever the fault of the police..perish the thought....

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Nothing is ever the fault of the police..perish the thought....

There is a reason for IA Units in departments also.....Just because officers that make the choice to do wrong don't end up on the front page doesn't mean that there aren't officers that are suspended/terminated/and lose their police standards. NEVER have said or posted that 'nothing is the fault of the police'...that is a lame statement and illustrates your biased feelings against law enforcement... those feelings appear to get in the way of being open minded...

Your bias is so glaring I had to wear sunglasses ...like the highway patrol has...real cool ones....just to read your posts...

“But I think that no matter how smart,  people usually see what they're already  looking for, that's all.”  ― Veronica Roth, Allegiant

Teo, although I sometimes feel that police cross the line too much, I believe that MW is presenting the more sensible argument here.

Now I know I am right. LOL

I still love you, man.

If there is 1 stupid idiot in Santa Rosa County, I guess everyone there is a stupid idiot.

Jake92 wrote:

If there is 1 stupid idiot in Santa Rosa County, I guess everyone there is a stupid idiot.

Yeah and those stupid idiots stick together probably sharing drop guns....and helping cover each others stupid roid driven foolishness....Hey it's them against us all the way baby....

I was NOT talking about the police in Santa Rosa County, just the average everyday person, in other words, EVERY one of the people that lives in the county.  

By your reasoning, if 1 cop is bad, they are all bad, so if 1 person in the county is a stupid idiot, they all are.....

Jake92 wrote:

I was NOT talking about the police in Santa Rosa County, just the average everyday person, in other words, EVERY 0one of the people that lives in the county.  

By your reasoning, if 1 cop is bad, they are all bad, so if 1 person in the county is a stupid idiot, they all are.....

I knew that, I was just putting the idiots in a fraternity..

You know if one cop is bad and the other twenty cover up a crime committed by that cop they ARE ALL CRIMINALS !

I know the average cop will NOT cover for a dirty cop..... YOU just have a problem with every cop in the country.. I have a problem with the people that break the laws..

Jake92 wrote:

I know the average cop will NOT cover for a dirty cop.....  YOU just have a problem with every cop in the country..  I have a problem with the people that break the laws..

Not every cop...just the ones that think they are above the law...stop with the hyperbole.
Actually most cops are barely average where it counts...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

YOU are the one bad mouthing EVERY cop in the country, not just the few bad ones.

You are the one that thinks there are only a few bad cops...remember Fergerson...all those cops had no problem assaulting protesters with gas forbidden for use in war or shooting  journalists....wake up and smell the police state pilgrim...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

You are the one that thinks there are only a few bad cops...remember Fergerson...all those cops had no problem assaulting protesters with gas forbidden for use in war or shooting  journalists....wake up and smell the police state pilgrim...

What journalist was shot?...In one of the stories about the abuse of journalist that was told/ordered to leave a McDonalds for safety reasons---the journalist whined about the abuse of authority and police stopping them from doing their jobs....well after the facts came out....This particular journalist was told twenty-three times--(23)--to vacate the building and that was because cement chunks and other projectiles were being thrown....Again 23 times and the journalist continued to film rather than vacate...

"all those cops had no problem assaulting protesters with gas forbidden in war"---WOW!....Come on...if you're going to discuss at least do so with some honesty...Those that were arrested...163 all but 7 were residents of Ferguson...they came to Ferguson to start problems---loot...riot... property damage etc.,....so for those thugs you are correct--got NO problem with law enforcement arresting these thugs and enforcing the law...There were hundreds of protests that had no problems from law enforcement and even had law enforcement walking with the protesters...funny how SOME and the media give minimal coverage to those protests...

The proof is in the circumstances....as soon as the media learned the evidence of the autopsy [no shots to the back] and that witnesses had came forward with statements that the individual 'charged' the officer....the cameras started making a quick exit from Ferguson...thus the thugs and race baiters began leaving also....

http://www.drudge.com/news/181344/cops-shot-journalists-ferguson



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725548/Howard-University-grad-shot-head-pastor-mediator-blasted-rubber-bullet-Ferguson-demonstrators-reveal-horrors-lethal-force.html

The cops did nothing to stop the rioting...they let that go but went all SS Nazi on the protesters....go ahead and defend the fast growing police state...get your papers in order comrade.