Only 12 percent of Americans see Obamacare as a success

Probably too late to do away with this beast but it's not the popular program some people would like to believe.

"Despite the White House’s recent announcement about the 8 million enrollees into the president’s signature health care plan, only 12 percent of newly surveyed Americans say Obamacare is a success.

Nearly half say it’s too early in the process to decided whether the health care package is a success or not — while 4 in 10 say it’s an outright failure, CNN reported.

The findings were revealed in a new CNN/ORC International survey that shows how Americans regard Obamacare so far.
Fully 38 percent want a full repeal of the law, and 20 percent say the country should just go back to the system that was in place before Obamacare came along, CNN said.

Democrats, however, are much more on board with Obamacare than Republicans.
Nearly 9-in-10 Democrats say Obamacare is worthy of keeping. But only 55 percent of independents say the same — and only 38 percent of Republicans believe similarly, CNN reported. More than 6-in-10 Republicans say an outright repeal is needed.

“Your feelings about the law are influenced by your station in life,” said Keating Holland, CNN’s polling director. “There is general support for the law among young people and among people who are approaching retirement age. Support for repeal is higher among people between 35 and 49 years old, and highest among senior citizens, who are roughly split on what Congress should do.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/only-12-percent-americans-see-obamacare-success/#ixzz31VlxJwCP

nochain wrote:

Probably too late to do away with this beast but it's not the popular program some people would like to believe.

"Despite the White House’s recent announcement about the 8 million enrollees into the president’s signature health care plan, only 12 percent of newly surveyed Americans say Obamacare is a success.

Nearly half say it’s too early in the process to decided whether the health care package is a success or not — while 4 in 10 say it’s an outright failure, CNN reported.

The findings were revealed in a new CNN/ORC International survey that shows how Americans regard Obamacare so far.
Fully 38 percent want a full repeal of the law, and 20 percent say the country should just go back to the system that was in place before Obamacare came along, CNN said.

Democrats, however, are much more on board with Obamacare than Republicans.
Nearly 9-in-10 Democrats say Obamacare is worthy of keeping. But only 55 percent of independents say the same — and only 38 percent of Republicans believe similarly, CNN reported. More than 6-in-10 Republicans say an outright repeal is needed.

“Your feelings about the law are influenced by your station in life,” said Keating Holland, CNN’s polling director. “There is general support for the law among young people and among people who are approaching retirement age. Support for repeal is higher among people between 35 and 49 years old, and highest among senior citizens, who are roughly split on what Congress should do.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/only-12-percent-americans-see-obamacare-success/#ixzz31VlxJwCP

CNN!!!!! Those right wingers!.... So what's their motivation for reporting opposition to the cowh? Please don't tell me they are now unbiased journalists...

I just don't like laws that force us to comply with another mandate.  We lose our freedoms a little bit at a time.  In this case, it isn't a little step.  We are becoming a nation of sheeple, governed by oligarchs that force their perception of morality and fairness upon an increasingly irate public.

There are too many mandates already.

Eric wrote:

I just don't like laws that force us to comply with another mandate.  We lose our freedoms a little bit at a time.  In this case, it isn't a little step.  We are becoming a nation of sheeple, governed by oligarchs that force their perception of morality and fairness upon an increasingly irate public.

There are too many mandates already.

The big mistake they made was making it mandatory, a lot of folks think like you (and me) - make it available but don't make it mandatory. We have enough mandatory insurance requirements like car insurance, but at least it's still a small choice not to drive if you want don't want to pay it.

nochain wrote:

Eric wrote:

I just don't like laws that force us to comply with another mandate.  We lose our freedoms a little bit at a time.  In this case, it isn't a little step.  We are becoming a nation of sheeple, governed by oligarchs that force their perception of morality and fairness upon an increasingly irate public.

There are too many mandates already.

The big mistake they made was making it mandatory, a lot of folks think like you (and me) - make it available but don't make it mandatory. We have enough mandatory insurance requirements like car insurance, but at least it's still a small choice not to drive if you want don't want to pay it.

Made me wonder about mandatory insurances recently...watched a women from Gulf Breeze that owned several rental properties that were damaged and she admitted that she did not purchase flood insurance.... Now she and some other rental property owners want "someone to step up" and give them financial assistance for the repairs because she said FEMA will not...

NO insurance should be mandatory, but the penalty for NOT being insured should NOT fall on the taxpayers..  

IF Joe Blow does not want insurance, HE should NOT get 1 cent from the taxpayers when his house is damaged or destroyed by flooding, wind, fire, or anything else.  If he does not want health insurance, the taxpayers should NOT pay his hospital bills and the doctors/hospitals should NOT be required to see him unless he can put up a sufficiend deposit to cover the bills..  If he refuses or does not have the money, he should NOT be treated, unless someone else puts up the deposit BEFORE treatment.. In the caes of accidents, the one that CAUSED the wreck should be 100% liable for ALL medical bills...

Jake92 wrote:

NO insurance should be mandatory, but the penalty for NOT being insured should NOT fall on the taxpayers..  

IF Joe Blow does not want insurance, HE should NOT get 1 cent from the taxpayers when his house is damaged or destroyed by flooding, wind, fire, or anything else.  If he does not want health insurance, the taxpayers should NOT pay his hospital bills and the doctors/hospitals should NOT be required to see him unless he can put up a sufficiend deposit to cover the bills..  If he refuses or does not have the money, he should NOT be treated, unless someone else puts up the deposit BEFORE treatment..

This particular landlord admitted to knowing about purchasing flood insurance and made the decision not to do so...now she's suffered a financial loss and wants someone to 'step up' and pay for her decision...Agree and this makes no sense...

Too bad for the landlord.. She should also have to pay the expenses of the tenants while they are not living in the rental property..

Jake92 wrote:

Too bad for the landlord..  She should also have to pay the expenses of the tenants while they are not living in the rental property..

The tenants in this case were smart enough to have renters insurance policies...good thing they didn't expect the landlord to be responsible or accountable to them...

Good for the tenants.. There are still some people that don't depend on the taxpayers..

Jake92 wrote:

NO insurance should be mandatory, but the penalty for NOT being insured should NOT fall on the taxpayers..  

IF Joe Blow does not want insurance, HE should NOT get 1 cent from the taxpayers when his house is damaged or destroyed by flooding, wind, fire, or anything else.  If he does not want health insurance, the taxpayers should NOT pay his hospital bills and the doctors/hospitals should NOT be required to see him unless he can put up a sufficiend deposit to cover the bills..  If he refuses or does not have the money, he should NOT be treated, unless someone else puts up the deposit BEFORE treatment..  In the caes of accidents, the one that CAUSED the wreck should be 100% liable for ALL medical bills...

I agree with the homeowners insurance part, Jake.  But I have problems with refusing medical treatment for indigents, especially when it is a life-threatening emergency.  

Call me a bleeding heart liberal on this issue, Jake, but I don't think the public will accept seeing a hospital with dying or dead patients on their front lawn.  Even if a medical problem, (say an infected big toe) isn't a life-threatening emergency, left untreated, it could lead to amputation of the toe, a leg, or even death.  I'm not smart enough to say I know the answer to funding medical problems, but perhaps a voluntary Obamacare or some modification to Medicaid would do, I dunno.

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Causes are not so cut and dry to assign.  Take, for instance, a case where I sat in as a juror.  A driver is going 6 mph over the speed limit and the light just turned yellow and he speeds up to make the light.  At the same time, a driver in the opposite direction is waiting to turn left sees the light changing and figures the other driver is going to stop, so he turns left and gets T-boned by the other driver killing a passenger in the car that was going straight.  Both drivers are at fault, but I fault the turning driver more.  This doesn't factor so much in a lawsuit in Florida, but in Alabama it makes a HUGE difference.  Alabama is a Pure Contributory Negligence state... in that, if you are only 1% at fault, you cannot recover damages except as noted below... from an article here.

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Pure Contributory Negligence

Only four states and the District of Columbia recognize the Pure Contributory Negligence Rule, which says that a damaged party cannot recover any damages if it is even 1 percent at fault. The jurisdictions which employ the Pure Contributory Negligence Rule include Alabama, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, and Virginia. Under this rule, a plaintiff found 10 percent at fault for causing an accident will recover nothing, even though the defendant is 90 percent at fault. In certain cases, the contributory negligence defense can be overcome. If the plaintiff can prove that the defendant’s willful and wanton acts caused the injury, then the defendant cannot claim contributory negligence bars the plaintiff from recovery. Likewise, if the plaintiff can show that the defendant had the last clear chance to avoid an accident and did not do so, then the defendant can still be held accountable even if a plaintiff is found contributorily negligent.

Pure Comparative Fault

Thirteen states recognize the Pure Comparative Fault Rule, which allows a damaged party to recover even if it is 99 percent at fault, although the recovery is reduced by the damaged party’s degree of fault. These states include Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Washington.

Other states have different determinations of "fault", with most saying you must be at least 51% at fault to be liable for damages.

nochain wrote:

Probably too late to do away with this beast but it's not the popular program some people would like to believe.

"Despite the White House’s recent announcement about the 8 million enrollees into the president’s signature health care plan, only 12 percent of newly surveyed Americans say Obamacare is a success.

Nearly half say it’s too early in the process to decided whether the health care package is a success or not — while 4 in 10 say it’s an outright failure, CNN reported.

The findings were revealed in a new CNN/ORC International survey that shows how Americans regard Obamacare so far.
Fully 38 percent want a full repeal of the law, and 20 percent say the country should just go back to the system that was in place before Obamacare came along, CNN said.

Democrats, however, are much more on board with Obamacare than Republicans.
Nearly 9-in-10 Democrats say Obamacare is worthy of keeping. But only 55 percent of independents say the same — and only 38 percent of Republicans believe similarly, CNN reported. More than 6-in-10 Republicans say an outright repeal is needed.

“Your feelings about the law are influenced by your station in life,” said Keating Holland, CNN’s polling director. “There is general support for the law among young people and among people who are approaching retirement age. Support for repeal is higher among people between 35 and 49 years old, and highest among senior citizens, who are roughly split on what Congress should do.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/only-12-percent-americans-see-obamacare-success/#ixzz31VlxJwCP

Of course it's too early to tell. The percentage who said it was either a failure or a success are too dumb to realize that it will take time for it to be judged properly.
"ONLY" 55% of independents who think it's wroth keeping is still a majority. I love the way that is phrased to sound like it might just be a minority if you don't think too hard about it.
The article might have read "a majority of democrats and independents think it should be kept while a majority of Republicans disagree."
But it didn't. That's when you have to consider the politics of whoever wrote it.

Why not just say "the % of people" without breaking it down to different parties???

Eric, just because you have a green light, YOU are still responsible to ensure the road is safe for you to proceed.. Ex, just because you are in a crosswalk, it's still your responsiblity to look both ways to make sure it's safe to cross, even if you do have the green light to cross.. You might be legally right to cross, but physically dead because you didn't look to make sure.. In your case about the accident, YES, both are at fault, but the one that turned left was the major cause of the accident.. HE/SHE failed to ensure the road was clear before proceeding..

Jake92 wrote:

Eric, just because you have a green light, YOU are still responsible to ensure the road is safe for you to proceed..  Ex, just because you are in a crosswalk, it's still your responsiblity to look both ways to make sure it's safe to cross, even if you do have the green light to cross..  You might be legally right to cross, but physically dead because you didn't look to make sure..  In your case about the accident, YES, both are at fault, but the one that turned left was the major cause of the accident.. HE/SHE failed to ensure the road was clear before proceeding..  

I agree. But my point is that, in Alabama, if both parties have some blame, neither can recover damages from the other... even if one was only 1% to blame.

That is one of the reasons FL requires NO Fault coverage.. Another big reason is that it just adds more to the insurance premium for the law-abiding people and puts more money in the insurance companies pockets..

Otter wrote:

nochain wrote:

Probably too late to do away with this beast but it's not the popular program some people would like to believe.

"Despite the White House’s recent announcement about the 8 million enrollees into the president’s signature health care plan, only 12 percent of newly surveyed Americans say Obamacare is a success.

Nearly half say it’s too early in the process to decided whether the health care package is a success or not — while 4 in 10 say it’s an outright failure, CNN reported.

The findings were revealed in a new CNN/ORC International survey that shows how Americans regard Obamacare so far.
Fully 38 percent want a full repeal of the law, and 20 percent say the country should just go back to the system that was in place before Obamacare came along, CNN said.

Democrats, however, are much more on board with Obamacare than Republicans.
Nearly 9-in-10 Democrats say Obamacare is worthy of keeping. But only 55 percent of independents say the same — and only 38 percent of Republicans believe similarly, CNN reported. More than 6-in-10 Republicans say an outright repeal is needed.

“Your feelings about the law are influenced by your station in life,” said Keating Holland, CNN’s polling director. “There is general support for the law among young people and among people who are approaching retirement age. Support for repeal is higher among people between 35 and 49 years old, and highest among senior citizens, who are roughly split on what Congress should do.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/only-12-percent-americans-see-obamacare-success/#ixzz31VlxJwCP

Of course it's too early to tell. The percentage who said it was either a failure or a success are too dumb to realize that it will take time for it to be judged properly.
"ONLY" 55% of independents who think it's wroth keeping is still a majority. I love the way that is phrased to sound like it might just be a minority if you don't think too hard about it.
The article might have read "a majority of democrats and independents think it should be kept while a majority of Republicans disagree."
But it didn't. That's when you have to consider the politics of whoever wrote it.

It's a CNN quote, that bastion of FAR FAR FAR right political opinion - so far right they make tea baggers look like progressives.

My take on the results is why do so many people want to keep a program when only 12% think it's a success?

Probably because they figure the government has wasted so much money already on the ACA that it is now too big to fail.
LOL! I just love a parade.

nochain wrote:

Otter wrote:

nochain wrote:

Probably too late to do away with this beast but it's not the popular program some people would like to believe.

"Despite the White House’s recent announcement about the 8 million enrollees into the president’s signature health care plan, only 12 percent of newly surveyed Americans say Obamacare is a success.

Nearly half say it’s too early in the process to decided whether the health care package is a success or not — while 4 in 10 say it’s an outright failure, CNN reported.

The findings were revealed in a new CNN/ORC International survey that shows how Americans regard Obamacare so far.
Fully 38 percent want a full repeal of the law, and 20 percent say the country should just go back to the system that was in place before Obamacare came along, CNN said.

Democrats, however, are much more on board with Obamacare than Republicans.
Nearly 9-in-10 Democrats say Obamacare is worthy of keeping. But only 55 percent of independents say the same — and only 38 percent of Republicans believe similarly, CNN reported. More than 6-in-10 Republicans say an outright repeal is needed.

“Your feelings about the law are influenced by your station in life,” said Keating Holland, CNN’s polling director. “There is general support for the law among young people and among people who are approaching retirement age. Support for repeal is higher among people between 35 and 49 years old, and highest among senior citizens, who are roughly split on what Congress should do.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/only-12-percent-americans-see-obamacare-success/#ixzz31VlxJwCP

Of course it's too early to tell. The percentage who said it was either a failure or a success are too dumb to realize that it will take time for it to be judged properly.
"ONLY" 55% of independents who think it's wroth keeping is still a majority. I love the way that is phrased to sound like it might just be a minority if you don't think too hard about it.
The article might have read "a majority of democrats and independents think it should be kept while a majority of Republicans disagree."
But it didn't. That's when you have to consider the politics of whoever wrote it.

It's a CNN quote, that bastion of FAR FAR FAR right political opinion - so far right they make tea baggers look like progressives.

My take on the results is why do so many people want to keep a program when only 12% think it's a success?

Probably because they figure the government has wasted so much money already on the ACA that it is now too big to fail.
LOL! I just love a parade.

So these folks feel that the government should take care of them more?...12% support and it's called the legacy of the cowh...