This is just the tip of the iceburg: Fast and Furious lawsuit can proceed

It's pitiful that government investigators have to sue the Justice Dept to get information about a program that has resulted in so many murders. What is Holder trying to hide? Now for Benghazi, the IRS, and the NSA.....

"A federal judge ruled Monday evening that the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee could indeed proceed with a lawsuit against the Justice Department to access certain Fast and Furious documents.
Attorney General Eric Holder had attempted to dismiss the suit. But U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson turned aside that request, asserting the House claim: President Obama could not claim executive privilege and halt certain “Operation Fast and Furious” records from being turned over to Congress for review, Politico reported."


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/1/court-fast-and-furious-lawsuit-can-proceed-court/#ixzz2gTWb5RTx

I wonder how many black line redactions will be on the papers that Holder sees fit to release?

Eric wrote:

I wonder how many black line redactions will be on the papers that Holder sees fit to release?

Yes, they have lied, stonewalled, and delayed so long they have had plenty of time to scrub the evidence.....

nochain wrote:

Eric wrote:

I wonder how many black line redactions will be on the papers that Holder sees fit to release?

Yes, they have lied, stonewalled, and delayed so long they have had plenty of time to scrub the evidence.....

Just as they have in every scandal....and yet what's happened?....

mediawatcher wrote:

nochain wrote:

Eric wrote:

I wonder how many black line redactions will be on the papers that Holder sees fit to release?

Yes, they have lied, stonewalled, and delayed so long they have had plenty of time to scrub the evidence.....

      Just as they have in every scandal....and yet what's happened?....

With the MSM on their side this administration has never had their dirty laundry presented to the public.

nochain wrote:

mediawatcher wrote:

nochain wrote:

Eric wrote:

I wonder how many black line redactions will be on the papers that Holder sees fit to release?

Yes, they have lied, stonewalled, and delayed so long they have had plenty of time to scrub the evidence.....

      Just as they have in every scandal....and yet what's happened?....

With the MSM on their side this administration has never had their dirty laundry presented to the public.

As a side note...yesterday it was announced that NBC has jumped on board to sell [name] cowh healthcare!...SURPRISED?....They are just continuing doing what they've done for five years....Holder should have been gone already....Lois Lerner should have her retirement held up until she explains her abuses/cover-up and perjury to Congress...HRC should have been re-called and those Benghazi Memos should be demanded delivered to Congress if they haven't been shredded....and the NSA should be accountable for their actions against both American Citizens...Political parties....and add ally nations that we've (cowh) has ticked off....lastly the IRS is the LAST group that should have any authority in the impementation of [name] cowh healthcare....That should keep the next three years busy...

You would think that the spying, treachery, and deceit was an Obama-only problem. It ain't... he inherited a well-entrenched bag of problems. As much as you hate the Democrats, there is plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle.

Eric wrote:

You would think that the spying, treachery, and deceit was an Obama-only problem.  It ain't... he inherited a well-entrenched bag of problems.  As much as you hate the Democrats, there is plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle.

No doubt - the NSA has been snooping since they were established, to the extent and depth they have been doing lately - that probably started shortly after 9/11 and has grown ever since like any government function. The IRS scandal - deliberately stonewalling one political party affiliated organizations so they had no influence on the last election? No, the Oblamer administration owns that. Fast and Furious? Again the Oblamer administration owns it. Benghazi? Oblamer. There is no doubt in my mind that no "innocent" major political figure exists - they all have to make too many deals to get elected. I don't "hate" Democrats - I hate the direction this country is headed with extreme entitlement spending without the means to pay for it - it's resulting in a lazy citizenry who knows the Big Guvmint will cover for their life choices regardless. I don't think moderate Dems would disagree either.

Nochain, I wasn't referring to you. Your posts do not exude contempt for Democrats. We're all caught up in this partisan bickering with neither side appearing to make reasonable concessions in negotiations with the other.

It is one-sided posts that spew vitriol against one party or person that remind me of partisan politics that got us into this mess.

Eric wrote:

You would think that the spying, treachery, and deceit was an Obama-only problem.  It ain't... he inherited a well-entrenched bag of problems.  As much as you hate the Democrats, there is plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle.

But some need to be honest and consistant....some of the same democrats that threatened impeachment towards the Bush Admin for listening in on phone calls with foreign contacts...now they given the latitude to the cowh to listen in and record information on citizens with no evidence of foreign contact...Some of the same democrats threatened President Bush with impeachment when there was even a threat of government shutdown...and now they control the WH and Senate and there's a shutdown....if it was the president's fault then......And for the record---do not 'hate' democrats...Did not support President Bush and his expansion of government...wasteful spending and his inability to control/limit increased entitlement spending....Some called him a 'war-monger' and 'war criminal' for his very limited use of drone technology some of the same that applauded the cowh in his expanded use of the same technolgy...Also...support the cowh/administration for using this technology and for giving the order to get obl...Strange enough in many areas similar to this the cowh has done nothing more than continue of expand the policies of President Bush....If the liberals/democrats hated such policies under a republican administration and yet accept under a democrat administration is that in the best interest of the US?...They've got no credibility and are the true meaning to hypocrites...But don't remember President Bush using the IRS and NSA against Americans and our allies in the world...President Bush is not responsible for the incompetence...lies...coverups of Benghazi....and certainly don't recall the Bush Admin mandating healthcare with threats of fines/punishments....Concervatives were enraged when one of the first actions of President Bush was to work with Sen Kennedy on education reform but he did it and there was success...what beside the request of military actions in Syria has the cowh attempted in five years?...We can debate/disagree on history and the rights and wrongs and many times that is simply used to somehow attempt to make a point like...Bush did it so why can't the cowh....Lastly, this cowh has had the lip prints of the media on his rear end of his initial campaign and now it has become very clear that the unprofessionalism of so called journalists are a huge part of the problem and why a massive ego is now totally out of control....how dare anyone disagree with the cowh!... Sen Hillary Clinton SKREECHED at the top of her lungs that disention and protesting the administration was a partiotic duty protected by the Constitution....My how times have changed...for the better?.....Now HRC was part of the stonewalling and coverups and was incompetent to run the State Department....wonder if the voters have the intestinal fortitude to hold her accountable...

I think Benghazi happened because Libya was relatively stable and Ambassador Stevens was so well-liked that the folks who allocated protection made the call that larger forces should have been sent to more volatile places. Hindsight proved otherwise.

We all scream bloody murder when the government spends a nickel and I believe the Benghazi happened because budgetary constraints do not allow for us to station a large garrison at every embassy.

Now, I'm not defending any coverup. I think it was stupid to put a spin on what happened that night. All this did was to provide fuel to the opposite political party. This spin debacle has wasted a huge amount of government time that could have been put toward productive legislation.

Well... Libya wasn't stable... not by a long shot. The ambassador himself described al quida flags being openly displayed and the consulate had already been stacked as well as attacks on the british and red cross... which had evacuated as a result.

But back to gun running... don't expect any progress while obama and holder are in office... there will be appeals and more obfuscation.

Eric wrote:

I think Benghazi happened because Libya was relatively stable and Ambassador Stevens was so well-liked that the folks who allocated protection made the call that larger forces should have been sent to more volatile places.  Hindsight proved otherwise.

We all scream bloody murder when the government spends a nickel and I believe the Benghazi happened because budgetary constraints do not allow for us to station a large garrison at every embassy.

Now, I'm not defending any coverup.  I think it was stupid to put a spin on what happened that night.  All this did was to provide fuel to the opposite political party.  This spin debacle has wasted a huge amount of government time that could have been put toward productive legislation.

On one hand there are arguments that budgetary constraints were responsible....and there was testimony that all requested security upgrades had been completed prior.....what's missing?....There was ample warning of terrorist activity in the area and it was ignored....why?....Recently several embassies around the world were closed and staffs/families were afforded the opportunity to vacate....what's changed between then and now?...This isn't political this was incompetence and allowing deaths to occur when there could have been something done...The LIES and COVERUPS were/are political and all one needs to do is to look where they came from....The same government that could have been used to put forward productive legislation was responsible for this tragedy and responsible for the lies and cover-ups BUT have not been straightforward and/or held accountable...Politically....It was the Democrats that intentionally refused and ignored testimony by the survivors families...and what did they want?....Answers....There is no defense or explanation for the arrogance of this administration and those gutless...cowards that refused to even listen....

The Democrats are the root of all evil. Yeah, that's the ticket.

This sounds like the PNJ when Olddaze was posting nothing but bad things about the Republicans and "W". He's still going strong on a different form of media, BTW.

In reality, the CIA and probably the NSA and the FBI have been whacking people during every administration. Every president has lied to us for "national security" reasons. Our problems are not just the Democrats or just the Republicans. Partisan politics is exactly what got us into this mess. We waste way too much time in congressional witch hunts, where one party spends months to expose the dirty laundry of the other, when they should be conducting the duties they were elected to perform.

Eric wrote:

The Democrats are the root of all evil.  Yeah, that's the ticket.

This sounds like the PNJ when Olddaze was posting nothing but bad things about the Republicans and "W".  He's still going strong on a different form of media, BTW.

In reality, the CIA and probably the NSA and the FBI have been whacking people during every administration.  Every president has lied to us for "national security" reasons.  Our problems are not just the Democrats or just the Republicans.  Partisan politics is exactly what got us into this mess.  We waste way too much time in congressional witch hunts, where one party spends months to expose the dirty laundry of the other, when they should be conducting the duties they were elected to perform.

In the case of Benghazi it is the sole responsibility of the administration...The republicans..Tea Party...conservatives had nothing to do with the incompetence...Try as some might..it's understandable for the confusion because this cowh/administration hasn't been held accountable for anything...So the politicans should have ignored Benghazi....IRS...NSA...Fast & Furious...Syria etc.,...Watched The Five a few weeks ago....Bob Beckle stated that during the Nixon Administration he was targeted as an enemy of the administration which utilized the IRS...The difference is that Beckle an unashamed liberal said what's going on with this administration is equally as wrong...agree or disagee that's consistant and not hypoctitical...Too bad those that defend this administration are so willing to repeat the past simply in order to play politics simply because this time it's a democrat...It's easy to say it's not just the democrats or republicans and then turn around and continue to blame one side....but if Reid...Pelosi...McConnell...and Boehner were suddenly removed from their power positions it wouldn't bother me a bit...To some Boehner is the problem because he won't cave and do what the democrats are demanding---that's today's definition of leadership...but the same negotiate/compromise agenda is not expected of Reid...Pelosi...and the cowh...for some reason their digging in is acceptable...