Ferguson II...

Protests honoring a criminal escalate into more violence...what a mess in that community....Individual shoots at law enforcement and is critically injured because he is/was involved in a protest for the certainly not innocent person...To continue to somehow think that it is honorable to do these types of actions as a tribute/memorial to Michael Brown is beyond comprehension....

The evidence/facts are clear in this case and Brown was not murdered/executed/unjustly shot by law enforcement he was responsible for committing a felony against a store owner and later confronting /attacking a law enforcement officer...Brown was not shot in the back...at a far range...or while attempting to surrender---the facts/evidence does not support these allegations....and yet some in the community continue to honor the criminal and continue to destroy property...This isn't remembering someone it's an opportunity to commit crimes and some in politics.. and the media make excuses/justify/explain criminal behavior....

Listen to the rap lyrics... see the video games... hear how kids that try to do well in school are treated.

I don't find any of this surprising... just reactionary knee jerk.

The image of the young man lying face-down, bleeding from police gunshots, and no one doing anything to assist his medical problems (bleeding out) is disturbing to me.  It is a wonder he survived.

Yeah, he was a dirtbag and (seemingly) deserves to have the book thrown at him, but the police are not executioners and LEOs are most likely trained in first aid procedures.

There has to be a better way to handle serious gunshots than for fellow LEOs to stand off in a huddle and watch a handcuffed suspect bleed from a distance.  Dirtbags ARE dirtbags, but they are also human beings that deserve better treatment than is shown by the media on numerous occasions.

I was a volunteer EMT and certain things can be done to keep a bleeding suspect from going into shock from blood loss.  Having a patient lie face down in a prone position isn't one of them.

Eric wrote:

The image of the young man lying face-down, bleeding from police gunshots, and no one doing anything to assist his medical problems (bleeding out) is disturbing to me.  It is a wonder he survived.

Yeah, he was a dirtbag and (seemingly) deserves to have the book thrown at him, but the police are not executioners and LEOs are most likely trained in first aid procedures.

There has to be a better way to handle serious gunshots than for fellow LEOs to stand off in a huddle and watch a handcuffed suspect bleed from a distance.  Dirtbags ARE dirtbags, but they are also human beings that deserve better treatment than is shown by the media on numerous occasions.

I was a volunteer EMT and certain things can be done to keep a bleeding suspect from going into shock from blood loss.  Having a patient lie face down in a prone position isn't one of them.

     Are you referring to the 'young man' that opened fire on the officers and was shot when they returned fire from being attacked?....

     The officers reacted as they are/were trained...they stopped the immediate/identified threat and secured him and began to make sure that there wasn't another shooter in the area....Based on the situation and previous history that had taken place it is not out of the realm of possibilities that another shooter may have been in the area which would or could pose an immediate threat to anyone in the area or that may enter the area....There have been times when EMT's have had to stand down until the area is secure prior to them going in and doing their jobs....It's unfortunate but EMT's....Firefighters  etc., have been targeted and those folks are there to help save and/or prevent the loss of more lives....

      Again....Ferguson was and remains a 'phony' movement--The hands up don't shoot was/is a lie and all other allegations hurled at the officer were proven false by evidence and statements by witnesses and yet there are many in that community that chose to idolize a criminal...The Brown family and others had held their peaceful protests/marches but it was once again the criminal element that moved into the area to promote their criminal agenda...a business was looted...law enforcement shot at and had rocks/cement and other items thrown at them.. Even Mr Brown released a statement distancing their peaceful activities from the criminal actions....The only time gunfire was returned is after they were attacked which says a lot about their restraint under the conditions...These outside elements could care less about any cause other than their own criminal opportunism....and yet even after all that there were pinheads in the media that were offering explanations/excuses/justification for their actions....Yes there were arrests but once again that tab for the damages with be picked up by who?.....Certainly not the criminals....

That response was expected.  

Let the dirtbag die.  That's the ticket.  Another threat?  C'mon.  There were LEOs just standing around, off to the side, ignoring pleas from bystanders to help the man.

If it had been a LEO on the ground, you know damn well that there would be people attending to him.

It's always difficult to ascertain what is going on in a situation from a photograph or even "witness" statements. This has proven to be true many times.

I agree Nochain.  But this wasn't a photograph, it was video.

Here is another example of stupid and inappropriate LEO action after a perp was shot.  This escapee was posed as if they had a trophy big game kill or something.  The appropriate position would be for the perp to be on his back with his legs up to prevent shock... but they obviously don't give a rat's ass about this human being.

It seems that the MO is to shoot 'em, cuff 'em, and let 'em bleed... disgusting behavior.

nochain wrote:

It's always difficult to ascertain what is going on in a situation from a photograph or even "witness" statements. This has proven to be true many times.

      In a shooting situation....the first priority is to stop and secure the suspect....

                                           sweep and secure the area in the event of the possibility of another threat...

                                           After area secured...allow medical first responders to enter the scene.  Because it is treated as a crime scene entering/leaving is controlled by the lead or primary officer on the scene until he/she is relieved  by a supervisor and or investigator/detective arrives and takes control...

       It would be extremely difficult....almost impossible to do but officers are trained/instructed that even if there is an officer down to resist the temptation to stop prior to the area being cleared in order to make sure that there's not another threat/suspect(s) in the area...That's not an opinion it is policy whether some want to believe it or not and there is training conducted....'active shooter'...  there are casualties both civilian and law enforcement--first responders etc., that need medical attention and the quickest way is to secure the area  past their location in order for that to take place....Lastly, in situations like this there will most always be extra officers on the scene....when the call goes out 'officer needs assistance' it's balls to the wall [my wording] to get to the area...and just for the record when you are that officer in that situation seconds can feel like hours until additional units arrive on the scene...the additional officers are released in a timely manner depending on the actions they took upon arrival....But the 'let the dirtbag die' statement was never indicated/intended in my post and illustrates how biased perceptions, prejudices and posting an untrue statement as being implied can certainly deteriorate the level of a discussion....

The gist of the conversation is that LEOs don't give a shit about a perp, and I have compassion. The scene was secure and LEOs could have helped, but didn't... refusing requests to help the injured man.

That is what disturbs me.

I suspect a scene would be quickly declared "secure" if there was a LEO down.

Just another video of where LEOs follow their training and secure a scene...

Not ALL law enforcement officers are inconsiderate. Here is a feel-good story. (Rather than copy the whole picture story, I am just supplying the link.)

https://imgur.com/gallery/sGXa1