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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:37 pm | |
| LINK A partial quote from the article at LiberalAmerica.org: - Quote :
- The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights has filed a criminal complaint against U.S. torture program architects and members of the Bush Administration. The organization has accused CIA director George Tenet and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of war crimes and they’ve called for a German prosecutor to conduct an immediate investigation.
This move follows the release of the damning Senate report on CIA torture that includes the case of German citizen Khalid El-Masri, who was captured in 2004 by CIA agents in a case of mistaken identity. The report revealed the shocking contrast of democracy and corruption.
Bizarrely, the only person involved with the CIA torture program who has been charged with a crime is the man who exposed the war crimes — whistleblower John Kiriakou...
...Michael Ratner, president emeritus of the Center for Constitutional Rights and chairman of the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights said this:
“I strongly disagree that Bush, Cheney, et al., would have a defense. This wasn’t like these memos just appeared independently from the Justice Department. These memos were facilitated by the very people — Cheney, etc. — who we believe should be indicted. This was part of a conspiracy so they could get away with torture. But that’s not the subject here now.”
“Secondly, whatever we think of those memos, they’re of uselessness in Europe. Europe doesn’t accept this, quote, ‘golden shield’ of a legal defense. Either it’s torture or it’s not. Either you did it or you didn’t. And that’s one of the reasons, among others, why we’re going to Europe and why we went to Europe to bring these cases through the European Center.” | |
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TEOTWAWKI
Posts : 2169 Join date : 2012-07-30 Location : FEMA Region 4
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:18 pm | |
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mediawatcher
Posts : 3139 Join date : 2013-08-07
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:15 pm | |
| - Eric wrote:
- LINK
A partial quote from the article at LiberalAmerica.org: - Quote :
- The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights has filed a criminal complaint against U.S. torture program architects and members of the Bush Administration. The organization has accused CIA director George Tenet and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of war crimes and they’ve called for a German prosecutor to conduct an immediate investigation.
This move follows the release of the damning Senate report on CIA torture that includes the case of German citizen Khalid El-Masri, who was captured in 2004 by CIA agents in a case of mistaken identity. The report revealed the shocking contrast of democracy and corruption.
Bizarrely, the only person involved with the CIA torture program who has been charged with a crime is the man who exposed the war crimes — whistleblower John Kiriakou...
...Michael Ratner, president emeritus of the Center for Constitutional Rights and chairman of the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights said this:
“I strongly disagree that Bush, Cheney, et al., would have a defense. This wasn’t like these memos just appeared independently from the Justice Department. These memos were facilitated by the very people — Cheney, etc. — who we believe should be indicted. This was part of a conspiracy so they could get away with torture. But that’s not the subject here now.”
“Secondly, whatever we think of those memos, they’re of uselessness in Europe. Europe doesn’t accept this, quote, ‘golden shield’ of a legal defense. Either it’s torture or it’s not. Either you did it or you didn’t. And that’s one of the reasons, among others, why we’re going to Europe and why we went to Europe to bring these cases through the European Center.” Germany....wow with their record in history and now the present with their backlash against immigrant Muslims...There are some folks that should be listened to on this matter...Strange though that leaders like putin...kim [whatever]...chinese leaders are somehow not considered was criminals and/or murderers for their actions...Guess that means they'll also be prosecuting the cowh for those drone strikes as a war criminal....What a bunch of bs... | |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:48 pm | |
| MW, I agree that others have committed atrocious acts, but pointing the finger at others does not negate wrongdoing by our past administration. | |
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Eddard
Posts : 614 Join date : 2014-09-20
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:40 pm | |
| - TEOTWAWKI wrote:
- good
Ditto | |
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Linda
Posts : 554 Join date : 2014-11-22 Age : 63 Location : FL
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:05 pm | |
| You know, those who say we offered the first strike seem to forget that 9/11 was the first strike. Oh wait, we call that a conspiracy so that we can say Bush/Cheney threw the first punch. Ridiculous to bring charges against them. And from Germany of all people? Wow... | |
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mediawatcher
Posts : 3139 Join date : 2013-08-07
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:08 am | |
| - SheWrites wrote:
- You know, those who say we offered the first strike seem to forget that 9/11 was the first strike. Oh wait, we call that a conspiracy so that we can say Bush/Cheney threw the first punch.
Ridiculous to bring charges against them. And from Germany of all people?
Wow...
There are some that will always blame America first and sadly they aren't always foreigners that feel that way....When some live in a conspiracy world there seems to be a loss of reality....Of course in your reference to 9-11 some argue that President Bush allowed this to happen and/or masterminded this to get us into war...much like generations ago that believed President Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor to be attacked to get us into WWII....Never any evidence just bs....Certainly there's never much...if any blame for the terrorists that flew into the WTC or the Japanese that actually attacked Pearl Harbor.... | |
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Linda
Posts : 554 Join date : 2014-11-22 Age : 63 Location : FL
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:13 am | |
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mediawatcher
Posts : 3139 Join date : 2013-08-07
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:34 am | |
| - SheWrites wrote:
- I agree.
With that type of non-logic....what leader in any capacity would be in line to be on trial as a war criminal?.... | |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:18 am | |
| You have to be crazy to run for public office.
I'm sure as hell not going to do it. | |
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Jake92
Posts : 1513 Join date : 2013-02-15 Age : 73 Location : Pensaclola, FL
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:24 pm | |
| IF I ever got elected for an office, heads would roll and the honest truth would be broadcast in the media by myself, not some talking head that gives his or her version of the truth.. I would have the proof to back up what I say, not rumers from he said/she said... Crooked politicians and workers would be brought out in public and charged with the crimes they commiited.. The results of the trials would be broadcast, NOT covered up.. | |
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mediawatcher
Posts : 3139 Join date : 2013-08-07
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:31 am | |
| - Jake92 wrote:
- IF I ever got elected for an office, heads would roll and the honest truth would be broadcast in the media by myself, not some talking head that gives his or her version of the truth.. I would have the proof to back up what I say, not rumers from he said/she said... Crooked politicians and workers would be brought out in public and charged with the crimes they commiited.. The results of the trials would be broadcast, NOT covered up..
The words 'truth' and 'elected for an office'....in the same sentence was a real EYE OPENER!!!!....Sadly a trait not demanded for politicians... | |
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Jake92
Posts : 1513 Join date : 2013-02-15 Age : 73 Location : Pensaclola, FL
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:16 pm | |
| The problem is for every truth and witness, there are witnesses with proof of the opposite.. | |
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mediawatcher
Posts : 3139 Join date : 2013-08-07
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:37 am | |
| - Jake92 wrote:
- The problem is for every truth and witness, there are witnesses with proof of the opposite..
'Experts' with vested interests.... | |
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nochain
Posts : 2888 Join date : 2013-04-24
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:47 pm | |
| Actually Germany nor any other country had anything to do with this, and won't. This group (The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) is an independent, non-profit legal and educational organization dedicated to protecting civil and human rights throughout Europe. It was founded in 2007 by a small group of renowned human rights lawyers) is merely a bunch of fanatics I would compare to PETA Heads.
They have attempted to file criminal cases against many other former heads of state with no result. They just happen to be located in Europe and file complaints in Germany in most cases. | |
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Jake92
Posts : 1513 Join date : 2013-02-15 Age : 73 Location : Pensaclola, FL
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:58 pm | |
| Our party with the present COWH has blamed everything possible on Bush since the COWH started running for office.. Over 6 years of blame for things he's had time to change.. Of course the COWH supporters will still blame Bush for things that the COWH does for the next 23 months too.. | |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: Germany Files War Crimes Charges Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld And Other CIA Officials Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:00 pm | |
| Just like Bush blamed Clinton, and Clinton blamed H.W. before that. Nothing has changed. | |
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