Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

http://mobile.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-10/malaysia-jet-investigators-sift-through-facts-that-don-t-add-up

What do you all think happened to this aircraft? Based on the information available right now it seems like terrorism is the best WAG, but who knows. My heart goes out to the families of the passengers and crew. They must be in some special hell right now.

riceme wrote:

http://mobile.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-10/malaysia-jet-investigators-sift-through-facts-that-don-t-add-up

What do you all think happened to this aircraft? Based on the information available right now it seems like terrorism is the best WAG, but who knows. My heart goes out to the families of the passengers and crew. They must be in some special hell right now.

May not be too far off base at this point even the experts only have WAG's unless they are being tight lipped.

Strange that there is no debris field. Nothing can be found of it... not even a trace.

Was it absconded by a UFO? It's too far away from the Bermuda Triangle, hmmmm.

I find it strange that there is no apparent record of the radar transponder and where the last signal was recorded but then I don't have access to all the information available. If it went down in the ocean it's going to be hard to locate without a starting point to look.

I thought that was strange too, nc. I would have thought they'd be able to pull up the actual flight path...

Thankfully, the water is relatively shallow... less than 200', I believe. That'll allow quicker sweeps when searching a grid for that transponder ping.

Eric wrote:

Thankfully, the water is relatively shallow... less than 200', I believe.  That'll allow quicker sweeps when searching a grid for that transponder ping.

That's one of the reasons I found it so strange that they'd not located a ping... it's shallow water with no trenches. I have a feeling that when they finally find the plane it's going to be a long way from anywhere it was expected to be.

Damn.

http://drudgegae.iavian.net/r?hop=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.federalregister.gov%2Farticles%2F2013%2F11%2F18%2F2013-27343%2Fspecial-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system

Some very interesting reading here. It's a pilot's forum...

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-95.html

According to a Daily Mail article, phone connections seem to be established when missing people called.

Quote :

However the phantom phone calls and online presence set off a whole new level of hysteria for relatives who have spent the past three-days cooped-up in a Beijing hotel waiting for some concrete information on the missing plane.

Repeatedly telling Malaysian Airlines officials about the QQ accounts and ringing telephone calls, they hoped that modern technology could simply triangulate the GPS signal of the phones and locate their relatives.

However, according to Singapore's Strait Times, a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy has confirmed to families that his company had tried to call the cellphones of crew members and they too had also rang out.

He is reported to have told relatives that those phone numbers have been turned over to Chinese authorities.

One man who had asked police to come to his house and see the active QQ account on his computer was devastated to see that by Monday afternoon it had switched to inactive.

According to China.org.cn, 19 families of those missing have signed a joint statement confirming that their calls connected to their loved ones but that they rang out.

The relatives have asked for a full investigation and some complained that Malaysian Airlines is not telling the whole truth.

riceme wrote:

Damn.

http://drudgegae.iavian.net/r?hop=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.federalregister.gov%2Farticles%2F2013%2F11%2F18%2F2013-27343%2Fspecial-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system

Did I miss something here? That link seems to be a maintenance order. I didn't see a smoking gun, but I'm multitasking today and not doing it too good, lol.

This poster describes what I have considered... hi-jack.

Quote :

As either of these seem somewhat difficult to believe, we might then consider a third option, terrorist hi-jack with known landing point in Sumatra, explaining the low-altitude flight path in an attempt to evade primary radar. This even keeps alive the possibility that this plan has been successfully executed but in which case, why no announcement or demands?

Eric wrote:

riceme wrote:

Damn.

http://drudgegae.iavian.net/r?hop=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.federalregister.gov%2Farticles%2F2013%2F11%2F18%2F2013-27343%2Fspecial-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system

Did I miss something here?  That link seems to be a maintenance order.  I didn't see a smoking gun, but I'm multitasking today and not doing it too good, lol.

Oh, yes... basically, the maintenance order identifies some problems and orders retrofits concerning the Boeing 777-200 (+ two other variations). To get to the meat of the matter, one of the problems is that the plane could be hijacked remotely via its computer system. The document (if memory serves) was dated November or December of 2013. In my experience that is not even enough time to begin engineering the retro, let alone sourcing parts or implementing the change order. But who knows, I have never worked in aerospace, and their engineers could have a different level of urgency that I have never before seen... one would hope.

I saw that about the phones, E... those poor families. I cannot imagine the hell they are in right now. Why would they not triangulate the signals??

You can help try to find the missing vessel. Link at bottom of article:

http://kdvr.com/2014/03/11/colorado-satellite-company-joins-search-for-missing-airliner-you-can-too/

nochain wrote:

I find it strange that there is no apparent record of the radar transponder and where the last signal was recorded but then I don't have access to all the information available. If it went down in the ocean it's going to be hard to locate without a starting point to look.

With this being under the circumstances that it is look for Jesse Ventura to have a new conspriacy theory show soon

riceme wrote:

You can help try to find the missing vessel. Link at bottom of article:

http://kdvr.com/2014/03/11/colorado-satellite-company-joins-search-for-missing-airliner-you-can-too/

I remember looking for a pilot like that before. I was thinking it was Bert Rutan, but he is still alive, according to Wikipedia. It was some test pilot that had countless hours with experimental aircraft that was eventually found crashed into a mountain out west.

Eric wrote:

riceme wrote:

You can help try to find the missing vessel. Link at bottom of article:

http://kdvr.com/2014/03/11/colorado-satellite-company-joins-search-for-missing-airliner-you-can-too/

I remember looking for a pilot like that before.  I was thinking it was Bert Rutan, but he is still alive, according to Wikipedia.  It was some test pilot that had countless hours with experimental aircraft that was eventually found crashed into a mountain out west.

Sounds like Steve Fossett; the guy had a bucket full of aviation world records

nochain wrote:

Eric wrote:

riceme wrote:

You can help try to find the missing vessel. Link at bottom of article:

http://kdvr.com/2014/03/11/colorado-satellite-company-joins-search-for-missing-airliner-you-can-too/

I remember looking for a pilot like that before.  I was thinking it was Bert Rutan, but he is still alive, according to Wikipedia.  It was some test pilot that had countless hours with experimental aircraft that was eventually found crashed into a mountain out west.

Sounds like Steve Fossett; the guy had a bucket full of aviation world records

His remains were just recently found. Mammoth (where he crashed) is not far from my hometown. There are lots of plane crashes in and around my hometown because of the geology + the high winds, add the fact that there are lots of pilots there and we have a municipal airport and a glider port.

Actually now that I think about it, I am not certain they'd yet confirmed it was him. Humain remains + his plane + his ID, but it was not with the remains because animals had separated them, if memory serves.

Burt Rutan is building spacecraft out at the Mojave Spaceport with Virgin Atlantic now.

Why has the search for this plane and these poor people been such an utter and complete CF right from the get? If I was a family member I cannot imagine how I would feel. It is very upsetting.

This article pretty well addresses my above question. Some of this is pretty upsetting to read... makes me feel sick.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10700652/Malaysia-Airline-MH370-911-style-terror-allegations-resurface-in-case-of-lost-plane.html

Okay, possibly the only question that really matters: are they alive?

Well, gee whiz, now we learn that the plane just crashed.

After the news folks have fed and fed on the misery of the families involved for days and days now by pretending that something else could have happened.

It's been shameful.

I went and read the Malaysia news article, where they say it crashed - based upon satellite analysis.

What I don't understand is that passenger's cell phones supposedly were ringing hours after the plane disappeared. I don't know enough about cell phone technology but wonder how cell phones can keep ringing when the plane was obviously way out of range of cell towers over the Indian Ocean.

I believe my phone goes straight to voice mail when my phone is turned off or out of range of a tower.

Eric wrote:

I went and read the Malaysia news article, where they say it crashed - based upon satellite analysis.

What I don't understand is that passenger's cell phones supposedly were ringing hours after the plane disappeared.  I don't know enough about cell phone technology but wonder how cell phones can keep ringing when the plane was obviously way out of range of cell towers over the Indian Ocean.

I believe my phone goes straight to voice mail when my phone is turned off or out of range of a tower.

I am right there with you, Eric. And they showed as "available" on a popular Chinese messaging/chat app, too.