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PostSubject: Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill   Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 5:11 pm

http://gawker.com/5972352/what-the-hell-just-passed-the-senate-fiscal-cliff-deal-explained

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Two hours before the ball dropped in Times Square last night, the Senate was hard at work and managed to pass a plan that would avert the fiscal cliff. The deal was strongly agreed upon in an 89-8 vote.

Now the bill is in the hands of the House, which is kind of a messy situation. House Speaker John Boehner and other Republicans have been pretty difficult throughout this process and very well could screw this whole thing up.

If it's passed in the House, it will be the first time in two decades that tax rates will increase for the wealthiest Americans. The bill would also extend the 10% individual income tax bracket forever, which would avoid a lot of debates for the foreseeable future. House Republicans just announced that they will not make a decision on whether or not they should vote at their first meeting today. They'll have two meetings today before they will make the decision on whether or not they want to move the vote to the floor.

So what stuff did the Senate give them to work with?
You're Safe This Time, Middle Class


If the Senate's deal goes through, taxes will stay the same for most Americans. However, if you make over $400,000 or you and your spouse make a combined $450,000, your taxes will increase from the current 35% rate to 39.6%. This is the same rate that it was during the Clinton-era. This is probably the biggest display of 90's nostalgia of all time.

Itemized deductions for those who are making $250,000 and for married couples making $300,000 would be capped.

Fewer Cuts For Now

Marco Rubio, a Republican frontrunner for the way-too-distant 2016 Presidential race, was one of the eight senators who voted against the plan. In a statement, Rubio said, "Thousands of small businesses, not just the wealthy, will now be forced to decide how they'll pay this new tax and, chances are, they'll do it by firing employees, cutting back their hours and benefits, or postponing the new hire they were looking to make. And to make matters worse, it does nothing to bring our dangerous debt under control."

He does have a point in that last part of his statement. The Senate plan does give a two-month delay to part of the $110 billion in spending cuts that would've taken into effect this month.
No More Of Daddy's Money For You

The taxes on inherited estates will go up to 40% from 35%. This applies to estates that are over $5 million. President Obama wanted to set the bar at a 45% rate with a $3.5 million exemption, which means he might hate his rich friends' kids more than you do.
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PostSubject: Re: Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill   Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 7:50 pm

I did not like much of what I read in the news about this, but as a Libertarian I wouldn't, so no big shocker there. Shocked

The one SORTA upside is that there is a 1-year PTC renewal for the wind industry in the package. The reason I say "SORTA" is because I only very reluctantly support the PTC until ALL energy subsidies are wiped-out and renewables can compete with Oil & Gas (in particular, but yes, all energy) on an even playing field. I do not believe that anyone benefits in the long term from subsidies and tax credits, not to mention the PTC causes a boom and bust cycle in the industry that takes the supply chain approximately 24-months to recover from.

Attached article is obviously dated by a few months, but provides some insight to how O&G, Coal &c have been raping us blind, and why I reluctantly support the PTC until renewables can compete on an even playing-field. Some excellent and little known facts included.

And something that ticks me off: Congress does this to us on the PTC every time it comes up for renewal. They wait until it's already expired and it's too late and thousands have already been laid off, factories and other renewable businesses have already been shuttered to pass the damn thing (reference above boom and bust cycle comment). No

EDIT: Huh, doesn't look like the "attach file" function worked. Here's a cut and paste:

Mr. Romney, let’s be honest about subsidies to renewable energy
Wally Lafferty
August 19, 2012


A note to my readers: I have received many responses to the letter below, and I wanted to take the opportunity to clarify and correct a couple of points. I appreciate the input from my readers and I believe this letter has been made stronger as a result of the input. Please link this letter to as many websites, Twitter and Facebook pages as you can as it is crucial to get the word out prior to the upcoming election. Feel free to use this information, but remember to credit the Environmental Law Institute as the original source for the data. What follows is my open letter to Governor Mitt Romney’s campaign. I hope enough people link to it that the campaign and the news media will have to address it. Please get the word out as quickly as possible. -Wally

Dear Mr. Romney,

A lot of attention was given to you by the media when you declared you would allow the Production Tax Credit for wind energy to expire at the end of the year. Your campaign went further to claim that you will “end the stimulus boondoggles, and create a level playing field on which all sources of energy can compete on their merits.”

If you truly wish to create a level playing field for all sources of energy, please tell us what you intend to do about tax credits — those that you call stimulus boondoggles — that currently exist for coal, oil and gas. Many of these tax incentives have existed for decades while the fossil fuel-based industry continues to set new records for multi-billion dollar profitability year after year. What is your position on the fact that the vast majority of federal subsidies for fossil fuels and Ethanol were spent to support energy sources that emit high levels of greenhouse gases when used as fuel?

How will you reconcile the fact that the federal government has historically provided, and continues to provide, substantially larger subsidies to fossil fuels than to renewables while fossil fuels produce multi-billion dollar profits? Fossil fuels are a mature, well-developed industry that has enjoyed government support since its inception over 100 years ago, totaling approximately $72 billion between 2002 and 2008. During the same period, renewable fuels, which are a relatively young and undeveloped industry, totaled merely $29 billion and 80% of that went to Ethanol subsidies.

How will you address the fact that the Production Tax Credit for wind energy repeatedly approaches expiration on a regular basis unless Congress and the President decide to extend it, throwing costly uncertainty into the renewable energy business model; while the largest subsidies to fossil fuels have been written into the U.S. Tax Code as permanent provisions? It appears that you like to criticize special tax credits for wind and solar and pretend that the tax incentives to fossil fuels don’t exist. Since powerful lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry have gotten their incentives permanently added to the tax code, you seem to believe that they aren’t tax incentives any longer but just ordinary adjustments to corporate balance sheets.

Since so many Americans are spending a lot of time discussing the upcoming expiration of the PTC, can you please address your plans for…

o the Credit for Production of Nonconventional Fuels - IRC Section 45K. This permanent tax provision provides a lower tax rate for companies who produce certain fossil fuels.
o the Oil and Gas Exploration & Development Expense – IRC Section 617. Also known as Intangible Drilling Costs (IDC). This tax provision allows fossil fuel companies to deduct the cost of wages, machinery, or unsalvageable materials. The term “unsalvageable materials” is left ambiguous so it can be applied to a broad range of intangible costs.
o the Oil and Gas Excess Percentage over Cost Depletion – IRC Section 613. This permanent provision in the tax code allows independent producers and royalty owners to deduct 15% of gross income earned from oil, gas and oil shale deposits. The nature of this tax incentive is nearly equivalent to the wind energy PTC, except that this one has been made a permanent provision in the tax code for fossil fuels.
o Coal Royalty Payments as Capital Gains – IRC Section 631(c). This permanent provision allows income from the sale of coal under royalty contract to be be treated as a capital gain rather than ordinary taxable income, thereby reducing the tax liability for qualifying individuals. Would you please explain who these qualifying individuals are, and why they deserve this special treatment when profits in this industry are so high?
o the Credit for Enhanced Oil Recovery Costs – IRC Section 43. This tax credit, also permanently written into the tax code, is available specifically for companies who use hydrocarbon-based tertiary injectant methods.
o the Exclusion of Alternative Fuels from the Fuel Excise Tax – IRC Section 6426(d). This section further reduces the tax liability specifically for liquified petroleum gas (LPG), P-series fuels, compressed natural gas (CNG), liquefied natural gas (LNG), liquefied hydrogen, liquid coal, and liquid hydrocarbon from biomass.

Those are just a small number of the many tax incentives given to fossil fuel companies that have been written into the tax code as permanent provisions. You have not addressed these in your campaign platform. Do you intend to remove these from the permanent tax code?

Let’s be honest.

I come with an idea. I propose that we extend the PTC long enough for the government to remove the special incentives for fossil fuels from the tax code, thereby leveling government support for all energy sources. Or, we can agree to extend the PTC until the wind and solar industries have managed to add equivalent tax incentives to the tax code that equally benefit them. You said you wanted to create a level playing field. I’m all for it. But allowing the PTC to expire on the basis of “leveling the field for all energy sources” while the fossil fuel industry continues to enjoy their special incentives is the height of government hypocrisy.

Respectfully,



Wally Lafferty

A Sustainability Minute blogger

For more information on special tax incentives for all energy sources, see: Estimating U.S. Government Subsidies to Energy Sources: 2002-2008, by the Environmental Law Institute: http://www.elistore.org/Data/products/d19_07.pdf

Link to Mr. Lafferty's original post w/comments:

http://asustainabilityminute.com/2012/08/19/mr-romney-lets-be-honest-about-subsidies-to-renewable-energy/
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PostSubject: Re: Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill   Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 5:09 pm

That was a very interesting read, Riceme. I am very interested in energy issues.

I am really interested in solar technology. I have read about huge breakthroughs in new solar technology that will make solar cheaper than coal or gas for the generation of electricity within this decade. We need wind, too as a part of the mix.

And you know, Romney being the industrialist that he is, would have only kissed the collective asses of big-oil, had he been elected.
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It will be a while before Solar can compete. They have some nasty materials and supply chain issues to address, aside from everything else.
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PostSubject: Re: Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill   Senate (Dems) pass Fiscal Cliff bill EmptyFri Jan 04, 2013 3:14 pm

In reference to my above comment about the PTC always being passed way too late, Moventas (major Wind gearbox supplier) announced lay-offs AFTER the PTC was extended. Expect to see more of the same. It takes a long time for the supply chain to recover, which is something that the gubment just don't get.

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