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PostSubject: Ex Post Facto   Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:23 pm

Before anyone opens a new topic on the Hillary Clinton e-mails claiming she will be arrested before the election, they might ought to look up the meaning of those words.
E-mails marked top secret this week can not send her to jail. Sorry folks.

All this hoopla has turned me from a Sanders supporter into a Hillary supporter. The lady is under attack and a lot of democrats will flock to her side to support her. Just wait and watch it happen.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:51 pm

This Democrat wants nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.

You may be right, Eddard, in that she gets elected, but it won't be because I voted for her.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:16 am

Eric wrote:
This Democrat wants nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.  

You may be right, Eddard, in that she gets elected, but it won't be because I voted for her.  

Yup, my 94 year old granny is a Democrat too, and Clinton may well get elected. But it won't be because my granny voted for her.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:15 am

It now appears that the dos will withhold over twenty emails deemed "too damaging" to national security. Not even redacted... which thousands were... completely withheld. By "too damaging" I suspect it's too damaging to hillary... as the dos has been running interference for years. I hope the deleted emails are recovered too... there's little reasonable doubt that she misrepresented their content as well. I can't imagine a citizen interested in the well being of our country would vote for her... there is no acceptable rationalization.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/29/the-state-department-concludes-there-is-top-secret-material-in-hillary-clintons-email-correspondence-from-her-time-as-secretary-of-state/
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:03 am

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html

WASHINGTON —The State Department on Friday said for the first time that “top secret” material had been sent through Hillary Clinton’s private computer server,and that it would not make public 22 of her emails because they contained highly classified information.

The disclosure of the top secret emails, three days before Iowans vote in the first-in-the-nation caucuses, is certain to fuel the political debate over the unclassified computer server that Mrs. Clinton,the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, kept in her home. The State Department released another set of her emails on Friday night in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

The top secret emails lent credence to criticism by Mrs. Clinton’s rivals in the presidential race of her handling of classified information while she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. It is against the law for officials to discuss classified information on unclassified networks used for routine business or on private servers, and the F.B.I. is looking into whether such information was mishandled.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:23 pm

It's interesting that you can find nothing strange about her e-mails being classified 4 days before the Iowa caucuses. The Clinton campaign itself has requested that those e-mails be made public so that the voters can decide exactly how secret they were. The State dept. refusing simply makes it impossible for her to defend herself, and since we have a Republican congress there is something very suspicious about the whole thing-especially the timing.

I'm sure you don't want to see that, since the last time I talked to an anti-Clinton voter I was told that she was a murderer and Sanders was a communist.

There's not much point in debating people who actually believe such things.

The e-mails were not designated secret when she received them nor when they were sent. Designating them that now will not send her to the jailhouse. It's a political move by someone in a high position. Seems clear enough to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:31 pm

Yeah, it's certain to fuel debate over her computer server. Because I remember Bill's presidency, everything that came up in the news "fueled debate" among Conservatives that he was a criminal.
Obama has been called a criminal too, as well as a non-Citizen. It seems to me that every time a Democrat occupies the White House ,instead of noticing how they actually govern, the folks on the right only want to figure out a way to get them out and put in someone in their party who is not elected by the people.

Rence Priebus was even discussing on TV that he would like a three way split in the electoral votes so the Republicans in the house could insert a Republican into the White House no matter who had the most votes in the election.

That's democracy for the head of the Republican party in America.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:13 am

PkrBum wrote:
It now appears that the dos will withhold over twenty emails deemed "too damaging" to national security. Not even redacted... which thousands were...  completely withheld. By "too damaging" I suspect it's too damaging to hillary... as the dos has been running interference for years. I hope the deleted emails are recovered too... there's little reasonable doubt that she misrepresented their content as well. I can't imagine a citizen interested in the well being of our country would vote for her... there is no acceptable rationalization.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/29/the-state-department-concludes-there-is-top-secret-material-in-hillary-clintons-email-correspondence-from-her-time-as-secretary-of-state/

"Too damaging" and FBI officers and Congressional members aren't cleared to see some of the information....and yet there are still some that defend the actions of hrc...simply amazing!....She brought this on herself...she used her private server for "convenience" and she lied about the documents that she either sent or received...No republican made this happen and no republican made hrc have contacts while sec of state which resulted into private donations to the Clinton foundation...
There is and has been a course of actions taken by the Clintons since Bill's presidency in which they both feel that they are above the law and above being challenged in both their private and professional lives...why?...because they've been allowed to do so...The same tired and lame defense of blaming republicans and the Inspector General [a cowh appointee] is how it used to be handled but this isn't the 90's any longer...It's sickening to see this arrogant behavior day after day from the Clintons...To see this as political or a witch hunt is to ignore the facts as to where the blame should be and enables the Clintons continue with their lies...
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:48 pm

No, you're right, it's not the 90's anymore. The political climate is far more angry and far more divisive than it was back then. Up until the impeachment of Clinton politics in this country were way more civil than they are now. I believe that the Republican party began the rift in America by impeaching Clinton, it continued on with putting George W in the White House through the Supreme Court and it's still going on today. Republicans think they own the presidency and if a democrat gets anywhere near it then it must be through some illegal or  immoral means.

This won't damage Hillary with Democratic voters.  Republicans have cried wolf so many times about the Clintons and about Obama that Dems just do not believe the stuff anymore. By mid March it's going to be clear that she will be the nominee. I suspect she'll also win and we'll have 8 more years of sheer hatred in this country between the two parties.

Someone said that the last scream of a dying animal is always the loudest and I think we are in that phase with the Republican party and the domination of white men in America. Demographics are changing and there's no stopping it. We can build a thousand walls but the end of conservative white rule is still going to be over in the next 20 or 30 years.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:41 am

What's really funny is the liberal screeching about how this is a Republican conspiracy to damage the farm animal. Consider who the FBI and SecState investigating whether classified material was handled properly work for - Obama. The Farm Animal won't be charged with anything with Oblamer and his lackeys at the DoJ covering her. Anyone else would have been thrown under the bus long ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:18 am

That's true... I don't think the obama doj will bring charges.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:02 am

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What's really funny is the liberal screeching about how this is a Republican conspiracy to damage the farm animal. Consider who the FBI and SecState investigating whether classified material was handled properly work for - Obama. The Farm Animal won't be charged with anything with Oblamer and his lackeys at the DoJ covering her. Anyone else would have been thrown under the bus long ago.

Guess if you want to be a criminal...better make sure you're a registered Democrat or change your name to Clinton....Too freakin incompetent...arrogant...and/or stupid in her tenure as sec of state and exposed classified/sensitive/top secret information on a private server and she's the democrat top candidate....the sheep continue to follow/support/defend the actions of this individual whereas if anyone else had done anything close they'd already have been charged and in a jump suite....
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:02 am

PkrBum wrote:
That's true... I don't think the obama doj will bring charges.

Unless there's a racial component somewhere.....
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:48 am

It will be hard to prosecute Hillary for Top Secret and Secret memos on her computer because they weren't labeled as such when she received them, as I understand it.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that point.

Yeah, there were lots of e-mails that the Feds labeled Secret and Top Secret AFTER reviewing the e-mails from her server, so I suspect there is probably a loophole there that a defense attorney could drive a tractor-trailer through.

It is a damn shame, though, that people with money and power in this country seem immune to our laws... politicians, bankers, etc.  Bankers in particular ruin countless lives by ripping the life savings off investors and their company gets a slap on the wrist and the bankers get bonuses.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:49 pm

Eric, that was exactly my point. There will be no arrest and it's not because of some Democratic conspiracy to keep her out of jail.  The e-mails were not labeled Top Secret until after they were received on her computer, so there's no way she can be held accountable for them. If some people think there is a conspiracy to protect her, I could also suggest that it's really odd that this info came out on Friday. I'd also point out that she has no way to protect herself against the charges since the DOJ won't let the content of the e-mails out now that they have been classified.
As far as I am concerned though, I've decided to vote for her because I'm so sick and tired of all the accusations being made against her and her husband through the years. Other than Bill cheating on her and lying about it I haven't seen any legal proof yet of them doing anything criminal in Whitewater, in Vince Foster's death, about Benghazi, nothing. It's all been too much for me to stand, so I've been chased over to her side. I don't think I'm the only Democrat who will think that way either. Just wait and see what happens in Iowa tonight. That's going to tell the tale.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:14 am

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Eric, that was exactly my point. There will be no arrest and it's not because of some Democratic conspiracy to keep her out of jail.  The e-mails were not labeled Top Secret until after they were received on her computer, so there's no way she can be held accountable for them. If some people think there is a conspiracy to protect her, I could also suggest that it's really odd that this info came out on Friday. I'd also point out that she has no way to protect herself against the charges since the DOJ won't let the content of the e-mails out now that they have been classified.
As far as I am concerned though, I've decided to vote for her because I'm so sick and tired of all the accusations being made against her and her husband through the years. Other than Bill cheating on her and lying about it I haven't seen any legal proof yet of them doing anything criminal in Whitewater, in Vince Foster's death, about Benghazi, nothing. It's all been too much for me to stand, so I've been chased over to her side. I don't think I'm the only Democrat who will think that way either. Just wait and see what happens in Iowa tonight. That's going to tell the tale.

   History:  Bill Clinton committed perjury under oath.  Could care less about all the personal stuff that he and monica did but he crossed the line when he made his statements under oath.  He was also disbarred for this action.  As eric pointed out this is another example of someone in or possessing power that abused the trust placed in them.

   Hillary was the boss at the state department....she knew what was sensitive/classified material whether marked or not] and whether or not she should have used a personal/private server. There are reports that lives were placed at risk with this information being exposed or hacked....It's sickening that there are so many that will excuse...defend...or dismiss the conduct of this individual while subordinates that would have done this would have been punished by losing their jobs and/or prosecuted...

    History II:  The democrats were singing a different tune when ONE alleged agent [covert or not] was allegedly exposed...Went after Bush...Cheney and threatened impeachment etc.,....ended up getting Scooter Libby...NOW...even with thousands of e-mails being scrutinized and thousands deleted...the democrats---oh, it's not a big deal and the evil republicans are at fault and once again picking on the Clintons....What a difference their attitude is when it's a democrat...Regardless the politics there is no excuse for the incompetence on the part of hrc and certainly is not a resume credit for her to become potus/commander-in chief....

She's so weak.....Clinton 49.8-----Sanders 49.6!....Even democrat strategists aren't able to spin the results
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:04 am

Eddard, she DID host her email at her house in violation of the rules, but I don't think they'll throw her under the bus for that.

A virtual tie in Iowa with Sanders... so the contest continues.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:13 pm

Yes, it was a virtual tie in Iowa. Next week, Bernie Sanders will win in N.H. because it's a state that is next door to his own. After that the primaries will head South where Hillary will pick up the African American vote and where people still think Socialism is Communism. I firmly believe she will be the Democratic nominee.
The Republicans picked the worst candidate they could pick last night. Ted Cruz would take us into WWIII within a year. Of course the news media is pretending Marco Rubio was the real winner. He's the only Republican with a chance to beat the Dems in November. This country would be screwed with either of them in the WH. And both of them talking so much  about God leading Iowa to vote the way they did is just such baloney.. I really hate it when anyone thinks God likes them best and brags about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:20 pm

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...And both of them talking so much  about God leading Iowa to vote the way they did is just such baloney.. I really hate it when anyone thinks God likes them best and brags about it.

Pretty damn arrogant, isn't it?

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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:59 pm

Yes it is. Hey, I wonder if Bernie Sanders gets the nomination all the evangelicals will give him lots of respect because they know the Jews are Gods Chosen People. No
I kind of don't think so.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:44 am

One issue is it's apparent Oblamer has no control over his administration. In spite of the broohaha over the Farm Animal unsecured server Defense Secretary Ash Carter used personal email for DoD business - then apologized. LOL

The State Department said Tuesday that John Kerry, when he was a senator, used a private email account to send information now deemed classified to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on her personal server.

Of course it's a little late to classify information after the fact. Sort of like closing the barn door after all the horses have run out.

One thing about the Oblamer administration, if you don't expect anything you won't be disappointed.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:08 pm

I guess George W Bush had no control over his administration either. The news today reported that both Colin Powell and Condee Rice also had top secret correspondence on their personal e-mails. That correspondence has just now been labeled top secret, just as Hillary Clinton's was.

It looks like that barn door has been open since the beginning of the Bush administration and not just during Obama's.



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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:42 am

So I guess that makes everything OK. Incompetence knows no party but it only matters when a Republican is involved. Got it.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:22 pm

Eddard has a valid point, guys. It is funny how the bashers react to a valid point. If it is a Democrat doing something wrong, bash 'em. If it is a Republican doing something wrong, bash the messenger.

On a fair note, Powell and Rice probably didn't host all their email on a personal server, though.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex Post Facto   Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:38 pm

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Eddard has a valid point, guys.  It is funny how the bashers react to a valid point.  If it is a Democrat doing something wrong, bash 'em.  If it is a Republican doing something wrong, bash the messenger.

On a fair note, Powell and Rice probably didn't host all their email on a personal server, though.

That argument can go either way. BTW this thread is about HRC but the left always tries to bend it around to the shrub and his administration. The dude has been gone for YEARS but the left still uses him for an excuse/reason for failures in the current administration. Schoolyard tactics/excuses.
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