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PostSubject: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:04 pm

Y'allqueda is waging Yeehawd, lol


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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:00 am

lol @they forget the snacks?
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:29 am

The base issue was that the father and son were tried, sentenced, and served that sentence. Now through an appeal process they were given four more years. They turned themselves in yesterday btw. This came about because of conflict over the encroaching federal rules that kept shrinking and restricting the public lands... but the case had reached resolution until the judged ordered them back to prison.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:49 am

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The base issue was that the father and son were tried, sentenced, and served that sentence. Now through an appeal process they were given four more years. They turned themselves in yesterday btw. This came about because of conflict over the encroaching federal rules that kept shrinking and restricting the public lands... but the case had reached resolution until the judged ordered them back to prison.

Just read where the father/son turned themselves in to serve their sentence....imagine that---this is about the government overstepping on shrinking and restricting public lands and a judge adding on to a sentence after the sentence had been served?...How does this even make sense?. You hear stories about this in other countries where someone is sentenced to a term plus a day and they decide when that day comes....Well unless of course the two were involved in something while incarcerated which could add onto a sentence but then they would have never been released in the first place....
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:16 am

It DOES seem that an injustice was done to the ranchers.  They had a fire on BLM lands and were told that the hammer would fall if another one happened.  Then another one happened, but it was only a dadgum acre.  

The penalty seems excessive.  (I'm not a fan of mandatory prison sentences, BTW)




But the clowns that say they are prepared to occupy the preserve jokingly don't seem too prepared... and most of the community doesn't want them there.  There are some townfolk that support them, and with good reason.  The BLM apparently can be exceeding difficult to deal with and they are tired of the BLM bullshit.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:27 am

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It DOES seem that an injustice was done to the ranchers.  They had a fire on BLM lands and were told that the hammer would fall if another one happened.  Then another one happened, but it was only a dadgum acre.  

The penalty seems excessive.  (I'm not a fan of mandatory prison sentences, BTW)





But the clowns that say they are prepared to occupy the preserve jokingly don't seem too prepared... and most of the community doesn't want them there.  There are some townfolk that support them, and with good reason.  The BLM apparently can be exceeding difficult to deal with and they are tired of the BLM bullshit.

Agree....protesting is one thing but when taken to the illegal level shouldn't be condoned/excused for ANY group....I know this was/is a problem with ranchers in Texas also....sometimes you just got to wonder about the government...We've got agencies screwing ranchers....spying on citizens....targeting citizens over political affiliations/views...and citizens being threatened with executive orders on a regular basis....the pot certainly seems to be at boiling level....
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:32 pm

The media is making these clowns out to be more than they really are, militia???

How about more like a bunch of unorganized bored ranchers who chose the wrong way to deliver a message. I do think the additional sentence is ridiculous - you get a sentence and do your time and that's supposed to be it, or should be.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:17 pm

The "clowns" are all that is standing between you and a tyrannical government....congress isn't , the MSM isn't ....the LAW isn't.....and they are not doing it by force of arms but by making people aware of the tyranny and overreach of all these autonomous alphabet fiefdoms..EPA, BLM, DEA...ETC...
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:49 am

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The media is making these clowns out to be more than they really are, militia???

How about more like a bunch of unorganized bored ranchers who chose the wrong way to deliver a message. I do think the additional sentence is ridiculous - you get a sentence and do your time and that's supposed to be it, or should be.

cheers cheers "The wrong way to deliver a message"!..... Protesting the land grabs/restrictions are certainly justifiable/ admirable but when they show up with firearms and pickups trucks the message is lost---heard a phrase on cnn that haven't heard in a while...."angry white men"....which by one of their definitions/opinions is that this is once again protesting against the cowh is racially motivated...Seems to me they've protested and got upset at other administrations over the same issues.....
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:36 am

Teo, these clowns are not the peace activists from the '60's carrying flowers. They may not have shot their way in, but they're carrying assault rifles and talking about dying for the cause.

I agree that change is needed and that the Federal Government is populated by goons, but this is not the way to affect change. The states need to take back their authority like they're doing here.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:07 am

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Teo, these clowns are not the peace activists from the '60's carrying flowers.  They may not have shot their way in, but they're carrying assault rifles and talking about dying for the cause.  

I agree that change is needed and that the Federal Government is populated by goons, but this is not the way to affect change.   The states need to take back their authority like they're doing here.

How the times have changed...... some of the 60's carrying flowers protesters are now in charge and are allowing rights that they didn't want trampled on or taken away are willing to trample and take away rights from others...ie.....cowh...eric holder....john Kerry....hrc....reid...Pelosi...boxer....Feinstein...
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:30 pm

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PkrBum wrote:
The base issue was that the father and son were tried, sentenced, and served that sentence. Now through an appeal process they were given four more years. They turned themselves in yesterday btw. This came about because of conflict over the encroaching federal rules that kept shrinking and restricting the public lands... but the case had reached resolution until the judged ordered them back to prison.

     Just read where the father/son turned themselves in to serve their sentence....imagine that---this is about the government overstepping on shrinking and restricting public lands and a judge adding on to a sentence after the sentence had been served?...How does this even make sense?. You hear stories about this in other countries where someone is sentenced to a term plus a day and they decide when that day comes....Well unless of course the two were involved in something while incarcerated which could add onto a sentence but then they would have never been released in the first place....


No, it's about an armed insurrection against the US Government. Government land has been occupied by armed white men, depriving the public of the use of that park.
It's absolutely ridiculous that the government is just waiting it out. If these were Muslims with a cause, or black men with some cause, most Americans would be calling for the government to bring in tanks like they did at Waco. Problems with the justice system have to be addressed legally. The guys who were re-jailed have every right to appeal, but these WHITE THUGS with guns have no right to be where they are.
They need to be removed, period.

I'm sick to death of Obama not taking action on the things he should and could do.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:52 am


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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:03 pm

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The "clowns" are all that is standing between you and a tyrannical government....congress isn't , the MSM isn't ....the LAW isn't.....and they are not doing it by force of arms but by making people aware of the tyranny and overreach of all these autonomous alphabet fiefdoms..EPA, BLM, DEA...ETC...


I love it when ''Not getting your way'' is tyranny. LOL

Irregular militias, paramilitaries, are worse than useless when it comes to defense of a nation. Literally worse than useless. They are untrained, undisciplined, undependable, and too often belligerently unaware of their own pitiful state. They take up resources and risk the security of real soldiers. Irregular militias are often indistinguishable from an armed mob. Like those currently occupying Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, militias are almost always composed of misfits and rejects, wannabe soldiers and pretend Marines puffed up with stolen valor, disaffected braggarts, belligerent drunkards, criminals, the dangerously mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, and angry losers of every stripe.

These raggedy-assed pretend patriots are not out there defending your freedom.

Most of them don’t even rise to the level of the militiamen who fled the British at Kip’s Bay.

They’re in it for themselves.

They’re in it for themselves and only for themselves and make no mistake about it.

These are Sovereign Citizens – an oxymoron if ever there was one. These are people who have declared themselves a nation unto themselves and have rejected the obligations of civilization. They are citizens of nothing, an army of one, defenders of mob rule and rights by force.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:39 pm

Except for the fact that the govt progressively creeps controls that eventually leave you with no access and no recourse. That land is a good example of the creep and so was the rancher situation not long ago.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:24 pm

We the people would HAVE no land if the government wasn't there to protect a lot of it. I don't know if you've ever been to Yellowstone or the Smokies or even out to the beach at Perdido Key, but none of those places would be available to the public without the protection of the federal government. They would be owned by the super wealthy, divided into condos for the almost wealthy to own, and the middle class would be left to our little 100 x 200 inland  lots and good luck finding any wildlife or camping areas available anywhere. This hatred that many seem to have of the federal government is absolutely ridiculous. Our government protects us from our enemies, builds our roads, furnishes our public education, brings our mail, takes away our garbage, polices our streets against crime and all a lot of people want to do is claim they're taking away our freedom. We have more freedom in this country than any other nation on the planet and it ain't enough for some people.
Your freedom to flail your arms around in the air ends where my nose begins, and the government enforces that rule. I'm glad they are around to do it. God Bless the government because some of the citizens running around out west with their occupying public buildings and  waving their guns ain't got the sense God gave a goat. Somebody needs to protect the few of us who are still sane from those nutcases.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:26 pm

They believe freedom comes at the muzzle of a gun and only at the muzzle of a gun, and they believe in their freedom not yours.

They literally believe a gun gives them the right to do anything they want.

Literally, these people believe might makes right - or more correctly might makes rights. Their rights, not yours.

Those militiamen occupying Malheur Wildlife Refuge are little different from the mobs of armed men currently roaming Somalia or Iraq or Syria. They are lawless thugs, nothing more. They want you to believe they are defending freedom, defending America, defending their twisted and simplistic interpretation of the Constitution.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:42 am

Do you feel personally threatened? Otherwise... your rights aren't in any way harmed.

It's probably much more likely that your sensibilities are hurt at a message that you would prefer silenced. That's an extremely shortsighted point of view. Because certainly once you cede the power to govt to silence dissent... the govt sooner or later will silence you as well. Be careful what you wish for comrade.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:37 am

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Do you feel personally threatened? Otherwise... your rights aren't in any way harmed.

It's probably much more likely that your sensibilities are hurt at a message that you would prefer silenced. That's an extremely shortsighted point of view. Because certainly once you cede the power to  govt to silence dissent... the govt sooner or later will silence you as well. Be careful what you wish for comrade.

Don't agree with their methods but the message of an out of control...land grabbing government is correct...You are correct the government would like nothing better than citizens to just bend over and be silent....It's always easy to criticize others until it effects you and then it just may be too late....
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:29 am

Now that they rounded up the ringleaders, I suspect the rest of them will vacate the preserve.

It is a shame that one of them was killed.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:52 pm

BTW, the people who lived in the town nearby did feel threatened by the militiamen. Their rights were harmed and so were the rights of citizens to enjoy the government land they occupied. This was not a victimless siege. I'm glad it's over and very glad a Bundy is finally facing jail time for his actions.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oregon Militiamen Situation   Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:37 am

Bundy hasn't been convicted yet, so we cannot say for sure that he will go to jail for his actions, although he ought to be convicted. (Not indicted, pardoned, etc... stranger things have happened)

In addition, Cliven Bundy needs to be prosecuted for failing to pay the money he owes for his cattle grazing on Federal land. It sucks that the Feds killed so many of his cattle. They didn't have to do that.

This brings up a legal question. Since the powers that be say that debtors prisons are illegal, can Cliven be jailed for nonpayment? Will the Feds just get a court order to seize Cliven's possessions to settle the bill? It seems that people are sent to prison for contempt of court for failure to obey a judge's order to make restitution... a technicality... they're disobeying a judge's order, y'know.

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