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PkrBum
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| Subject: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sat May 23, 2015 5:11 pm | |
| http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/22/former-un-lead-author-global-warming-caused-by-natural-variations-in-climate/ | |
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun May 24, 2015 11:16 am | |
| *****SMILE***** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=delv-08Tgn0 |
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PkrBum
Posts : 1017 Join date : 2013-02-14 Location : 45th Parallel
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun May 24, 2015 11:55 am | |
| You, me, and Ricey would be under a mile high glacier if not...
Thank God for global warming.
I think a better question would be whether man's contribution can delay the next ice age.
My best guess is much less than a decade... if it'll even be measurable. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun May 24, 2015 12:43 pm | |
| Allowing North America, Europe, Asia, and the southern tips of Africa and South America to form ice sheets would explain why the progressive Malthus' want only a population of 300 million. A whole lot less inhabitable land area would require a vastly reduced world population. Convoluted absolutes... Tell people one type of disaster is happening while attempting to obtain the exact opposite through deception by having the lemmings increase the opposite process with their actions willingly. *****SMILE***** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AUEjzVQwKo |
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PkrBum
Posts : 1017 Join date : 2013-02-14 Location : 45th Parallel
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun May 24, 2015 1:18 pm | |
| No doubt... global cooling is much worse for humans than global warming. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun May 24, 2015 1:33 pm | |
| Lowering the sea level 200-300 feet will expose natural resources that are not easily obtained at this time... *****SMILE***** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuelKjBlmqE |
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riceme
Posts : 3098 Join date : 2012-12-02 Age : 52 Location : Fox, Alaska
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Tue May 26, 2015 10:38 pm | |
| - PkrBum wrote:
- You, me, and Ricey would be under a mile high glacier if not...
Thank God for global warming.
I think a better question would be whether man's contribution can delay the next ice age.
My best guess is much less than a decade... if it'll even be measurable. Right... it was almost 90-degrees up here this weekend and there are still spots of snow. I don't want to see global cooling. No, thank you! | |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Wed May 27, 2015 10:59 am | |
| "The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible." - Bertrand Russell or, Who knows what is right? I certainly don't. It DOES seem that we are getting warmer, though. I suspect humans have affected the rate of temperature increase; the extent of which is questionable. I am glad I sold my waterfront home on Innerarity Island, though. The water was normally over 100 feet from the house, but the land behind the house was low, inundating each time a hurricane passed by. It is disconcerting to see water lapping up against the foundation of your home, y'know? | |
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Wed May 27, 2015 9:44 pm | |
| Well the scientific community has made the mistake of manipulating the raw data (reporting higher readings than they recorded) so any chart like the one you're posting that utilizes that raw data to be created is suspect there Eric. Next... It's always been an unwise move to build near water whether it be a shore front or river. Heck a slight sinking of the earth's crust would make most of Florida into part of the Gulf area... *****CHUCKLE***** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI7M2ELPtro |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Thu May 28, 2015 9:09 am | |
| My mom was born in 1917 in Pensacola, and she said nobody wanted to live on the water at that time. She used to say that "only riff-raff lived on the waterfront." I guess that's why we still have vacant waterfront properties around here. My house during Hurricane Erin: | |
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PkrBum
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:35 am | |
| Sooo... the data doesn't fit the agenda... the answer isn't to reexamine the hypothesis or the scientific model. Nope... the new science is to manipulate the data... further. The same data that was used to "prove" agw... that inconveniently showed negligible warming if any for the last two decades. Now that data they say was incorrect... not to dispel their agw theory... but to mitigate that their consensus was flawed. Interesting "science" to say the least. They didn't teach this method when I was in college.
http://www.npr.org/2015/06/04/411998275/scientists-cast-doubt-on-an-apparent-hiatus-in-global-warming | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:09 pm | |
| Perhaps the new scientists volunteered to be experimental subjects for a little extra spending cash once too often when they were still in the college or university they attended and that's why they can have 100%, excuse me it's now 98%, consensus... *****CHUCKLE***** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVf1ZoCJSo |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:40 pm | |
| Just look at the glaciers if you don't believe the earth isn't warming up. Scientists can argue until they are blue in the face, but glaciers are retreating worldwide, and the proof is in the pics. I read that there were one or two that were getting bigger, but most are retreating big time.
Want me to post pics? There is plenty of photographic evidence... | |
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PkrBum
Posts : 1017 Join date : 2013-02-14 Location : 45th Parallel
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:37 pm | |
| The globe has been warming since there were mile high glaciers extending nearly half way down our country. Picture that for a moment. | |
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Linda
Posts : 554 Join date : 2014-11-22 Age : 63 Location : FL
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:50 am | |
| Follow the money and it's pouring in to both sides of the argument. I tend to agree, not founded on any research of my own , that we are ever changing in our world climate. Now, why the HUGE money backed argument??? | |
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TEOTWAWKI
Posts : 2169 Join date : 2012-07-30 Location : FEMA Region 4
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:30 am | |
| Once carbon laws are in place they can control every aspect of your life. The war on drugs was/is a cash cow and human control prod for the enforcement branches of government, carbon regs/ laws will be no less draconian and powerful. Literally, "if it breathes fine it, tax it, or arrest it." | |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:15 pm | |
| - PkrBum wrote:
- The globe has been warming since there were mile high glaciers extending nearly half way down our country. Picture that for a moment.
I brought up the comparison of glacier retreat because of your post that mentioned: - Quote :
- Sooo... the data doesn't fit the agenda... the answer isn't to reexamine the hypothesis or the scientific model. Nope... the new science is to manipulate the data... further. The same data that was used to "prove" agw... that inconveniently showed negligible warming if any for the last two decades. Now that data they say was incorrect... not to dispel their agw theory... but to mitigate that their consensus was flawed.
Data can be manipulated... but the glaciers are an in yo' face proof that it is still getting warmer. From the USGS regarding the Glacier National Park: - Quote :
- It has been estimated that there were approximately 150 glaciers present in 1850, and most glaciers were still present in 1910 when the park was established. In 2010, we consider there to be only 25 glaciers larger than 25 acres remaining in GNP. A computer-based climate model predicts that some of the park’s largest glaciers will vanish by 2030 (Hall and Fagre, 2003). This is only one model prediction but, if true, then the park’s glaciers could disappear in the next several decades.
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TEOTWAWKI
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:36 pm | |
| Problem reaction solution...freedom exists between problem and reaction...it's called logic. | |
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TEOTWAWKI
Posts : 2169 Join date : 2012-07-30 Location : FEMA Region 4
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:44 pm | |
| The business of fear......a large group of protection rackets by those that are more than happy to sanction killing your dog...or you.... to "protect" you. | |
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PkrBum
Posts : 1017 Join date : 2013-02-14 Location : 45th Parallel
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:52 pm | |
| The poles have spent the vast majority of earths history unfrozen. The earth also was completely thawed prior to the last glacial maximum... and it's thght that has been the case prior to each "ice age". I also doubt we could find a qualified scientist that would claim that there will not be another ice age... and it may not be far off... in earth time scale that is. Even the 10k years that the earth has been warming is but the blink of an eye in that scale. Lastly... humans are MUCH better off in this warming trend. | |
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Eric
Posts : 9738 Join date : 2012-07-30 Age : 73 Location : Pensacola
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:53 pm | |
| They talk about the Gulf Stream shutting down and putting Northern Europe into a mini ice age. I'd much rather have a warm earth versus an iceball earth... something that they say has happened before. I don't see how ANYTHING survived when the earth was a ball of ice. 650 million years ago, it was supposed to have happened. According to the website "Snowballearth.org" - Quote :
- Snowball earth describes the coldest global climate imaginable - a planet covered by glacial ice from pole to pole. The global mean temperature would be about -50°C (-74°F) because most of the Sun's (Solar) radiation would be reflected back to space by the icy surface. [The fraction of radiation reflected is termed albedo (a) and it ranges widely from ~0.1 for liquid water, ~0.3 for bare land, ~0.45-0.65 for bare ice depending on the bubble content, to ~0.9 for fresh snow.] The average equatorial temperature would be about -20°C (-10°F), roughly similar to present Antarctica. Without the moderating effect of the oceans, temperature fluctuations associated with the day-night and seasonal cycles would be greatly enhanced.
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PkrBum
Posts : 1017 Join date : 2013-02-14 Location : 45th Parallel
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:08 pm | |
| I've read that the latest theories on snowball earth and the ocean conveyors were likely shut down by fresh water changing the salinity. It could be that the melt being complete is the trigger that starts the cycle. There are also probably many other factors... solar cycles (most that we have NO way to determine, orbits (perhaps even our position in the spiraling galaxy), the particle dynamics of our upper atmosphere (there may be maximum co2 solar absorptions and feedbacks), ocean co2 binding and heat storing, volcanoes, mountain building that changes the jet streamm... etc. There are simply too many unknown variables to make definative models at this point is all I'm saying. TThere are already very good reasons not to pollute or abuse the earth... but that doesn't allow the redistribution and control that the scary global warming catastrophe does. It's just bad science imo.
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PkrBum
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:09 pm | |
| http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/26/climate-change-is-making-deserts-greener.html | |
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| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:51 pm | |
| - PkrBum wrote:
- http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/26/climate-change-is-making-deserts-greener.html
But!... But Pkr!..... This doesn't match the progressive agenda of more taxes and bigger government that would be required to manage... *****CHUCKLE***** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY |
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PkrBum
Posts : 1017 Join date : 2013-02-14 Location : 45th Parallel
| Subject: Re: The Globe has been Warming for 10K Years... Duh Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:15 am | |
| http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-11/ice-sheet-collapse-135000-years-ago-may-explain-climate-change/6536862 | |
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