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PostSubject: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:28 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/03/10/thousands-of-u-s-workers-older-than-100-that-might-be-social-security-fraud/

A recent watchdog review found that at least 6.5 million active Social Security numbers belong to people who are at least 112 years old and likely deceased.

The Social Security Administration’s inspector general said in a report on Monday that the questionable identification numbers put the government at risk of fraud and waste.

The review found that one individual opened bank accounts using Social Security numbers for individuals born in 1869 and 1893.

The official database of active Social Security numbers showed that both beneficiaries were alive, meaning they would be older than 145 and 121 years, respectively.

Auditors also discovered that nearly 67,000 Social Security numbers in recent years were used to report wages for people other than the cardholders. The workers reported about $3 billion in earnings between 2006 and 2011.

The report faulted the Social Security Administration for poorly managing data on “numberholders who exceeded maximum reasonable life expectancies and were likely deceased.”
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:36 am

Dang!

That's a LOT of old folks


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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:43 am

Lol... and they work too..!! Apparently the scam is to report a small income and then receive the eic. So the billions in reported income is vastly eclipsed by the monies that pour out of the treasury. Add that to the irs sending billions overseas for tax returns, your standard cheats including prisoners, welfare fraud... etc... and we have an enormous theft. All of this under the nose of the agency that now is in charge of enforcement for obamacaid... being a sixth of our entire gdp and the largest single industry in our country.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:01 pm

The IRS is a monstrosity composed of incompetent civil servants and contractors who need to be kicked to the curb. Every issue results in the same whining from the IRS head honcho - "we don't have enough money to fulfill our obligations". BS. Nearly everything they do is computerized, a few good programmers could create a relational database to solve most of their issues.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:18 pm

Good point.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:30 pm

You don't have to report to SS that someone died. You can't cash their checks but you don't have to report it. Some people die with no relatives that can report it.
The county doesn't even always get a death certificate from the hospital here in Pensacola when someone dies.

My step father died 10 years ago. We needed a Death Certificate for a legal matter  and checked with the county clerk, but they had no record he was dead. No one had filed the certificate with the county. Luckily, we found one in a safe box and were able to record it.  Until then he was not legally dead with the state or county. He had no will that had to be probated so no death certificate was ever filed for that purpose. The CC said the hospital was not required to report the death  to them, nor was my mother required to file it with them.
 
The system is FUBAR when no one has to officially record a death with the state.

It can't all be blamed on the IRS.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:24 am



6.5 million X $1000 monthly SS payments = $6.5 billion a month

$6.5 billion a month X 12 months = $78 billion a year

$78 billion a year X 10 years = $780 billion a decade

That's almost a trillion dollars a decade in theft and people complain about the cost of the military.

I'ma' thinkin' that some other government agencies should do some serious house cleaning first.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:13 am

Eddard wrote:
You don't have to report to SS that someone died. You can't cash their checks but you don't have to report it. Some people die with no relatives that can report it.
The county doesn't even always get a death certificate from the hospital here in Pensacola when someone dies.

My step father died 10 years ago. We needed a Death Certificate for a legal matter  and checked with the county clerk, but they had no record he was dead. No one had filed the certificate with the county. Luckily, we found one in a safe box and were able to record it.  Until then he was not legally dead with the state or county. He had no will that had to be probated so no death certificate was  ever filed for that purpose. The CC said the hospital was not required to report the death  to them, nor was my mother required to file it with them.
 
The system is FUBAR when no one has to officially record a death with the state.

It can't all be blamed on the IRS.



Of course... Lack of responsibility and accountability for the programs that the government itself creates allows the government to claim plausible deniability for the corruption that the government allows to fester within itself.

No checks and balances for themselves just demands that the peasants do as they say and not as they do.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:54 am

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6.5 million X $1000 monthly SS payments = $6.5 billion a month

$6.5 billion a month X 12 months = $78 billion a year

$78 billion a year X 10 years = $780 billion a decade

That's almost a trillion dollars a decade in theft and people complain about the cost of the military.

I'ma' thinkin' that some other government agencies should do some serious house cleaning first.

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NOTE: That projection is only for the 6.5 million that are listed as over 112 years of age. We can assume there's a whole lot more dead people under 112 years of age out there walking around receiving their SS payments.

Direct deposit is just such a handy thing to have when you don't want the money/check sent to your mail box.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:37 pm



Considering that we're talking 6.5 million active SSN's that are for people over 112 years of age I don't find it highly unlikely that there are at least four or more times that number of walking dead who are under 112 years of age. Let's make the math easy and change $780 billion dollars a decade to $800 billion a decade...

$800 billion a decade X 5 = $4 trillion a decade

Gee... $4 trillion a decade in outright theft through SSN makes the military budget look pretty insignificant and just shows how incompetently the civil branches of our government operate.

Is it any wonder that the national debt is out of control?

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:37 pm

The civil branches of our government can be incompetent , that is true enough.
But the military also wastes money coming and going.

It's not like government waste is all due to social programs.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:58 pm

Agreed... besides the corrupt contracting/purchasing there are a million civilian contractors working for the pentagon. What in the world do they do that a grunt couldn't at a quarter of the cost?
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:17 pm



Funding for the military is currently a little over $500 billion a year.

If my projections are correct then there's almost $80 billion in theft a year just for the 6.5 million walking dead people who are over 112 years of age.

If my other projection for those who are under 112 who are dead and still drawing SSN is correct then that theft comes to nearly $400 billion a year.

Looks like we could almost fund another US military organization with the amount of theft that's occurring with the walking dead people drawing social security.

Any time the government wants to conduct a audit of the social security organization like they do to the US military for possible waste, fraud, and abuse, with comparable prison sentences at Leavenworth making big ones into little ones I welcome the idea.

While we're at it let's give some time in Leavenworth to public civil servants who serve at the behest of the people for losing official documents and e-mails on incidents of public concern.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am



Inconceivable.

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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:23 pm

CBS' 60 Minutes program just had a segment on this.

When it gets posted online, I'll try to post a link to it. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-security-identity-fraud-scott-pelley-60-minutes/

The story started with people that have been declared dead by the Social Security Administration and how it ruins their financial lives... Credit Cards quit working, banks won't deal with them, cannot rent some properties, etc.  One gal had 80K in the bank and couldn't access it and lived in her car for 6 months... took her 5 frigging years to clear up the mess.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:33 pm

PkrBum wrote:
Agreed... besides the corrupt contracting/purchasing there are a million civilian contractors  working for the pentagon. What in the world do they do that a grunt couldn't at a quarter of the cost?


Nothing but the government needs to understand that if they want a highly educated "grunt" to work for them they need to compensate them more in line with what civilians get.
There are a lot of college grads out there who are highly recruited by the military, especially if they have scientific or mathematical degrees. The problem is that a contractor will pay them more than the military and let them have a stable home life and not have to endure the problems that come along with a military life. I think there might have to be a special designation for highly trained recruits plus somewhat higher pay if the service ever wants to compete with private industry.
It would be worth paying them more if just for the added security of it being a military person doing the work. Let's be honest- there's a lot of Edward Snowdens out there in the civilian workplace who probably know more than they need to know about what's going on inside the government.

Snowden is a symptom of the problem of privatizing the work of our government.
Not that I don't have a lot of respect for the guy.
But the government caused the problem itself. Let the grunts do it. I agree.
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PostSubject: Re: 6.5 MILLION Active Social Security Numbers over 112 Years Old   Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:26 pm

Eric wrote:
CBS' 60 Minutes program just had a segment on this.

When it gets posted online, I'll try to post a link to it.  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-security-identity-fraud-scott-pelley-60-minutes/

The story started with people that have been declared dead by the Social Security Administration and how it ruins their financial lives... Credit Cards quit working, banks won't deal with them, cannot rent some properties, etc.  One gal had 80K in the bank and couldn't access it and lived in her car for 6 months... took her 5 frigging years to clear up the mess.



Only goes to prove my point of how incompetent the public civil sector of the government is and how it needs a good housecleaning.

I mean come on now... They can't even tell who's dead and who's alive?

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