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PostSubject: measles...   Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:10 pm



"With the measles and measles vaccine debate reaching a near frenzy on the Internet, it is always nice to throw some cold hard facts on the firestorm currently raging in the measles debate.

So here are some easily verifiable facts regarding deaths associated with measles in the United States for the past 10 years, and deaths associated with measles vaccines during the same 10 year period.

There have been no measles deaths reported in the U.S. since 2003

The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either.

And while health authorities are blaming measles outbreaks in recent years on unvaccinated children, when you mention the fact that nobody is dying from measles in the U.S., they are quick to turn around and claim vaccines have eliminated measles deaths (even though they cannot eliminate the disease itself apparently.)

What about deaths associated with the measles vaccine during the same time period?

The U.S. Government keeps a database of reports called The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The database is available to the public, and there is a search portal the public can use at Medalerts.org.

We ran a search for a ten year period for deaths reported with measles vaccines, including a few that are no longer in production. The search result contained 108 deaths over this period, associated with four different measles vaccines sold in the United States during the past 10 years.

This database reflects only deaths that were reported during the time frame, and therefore probably reflects a much lower number than actual deaths, since most doctors and health authorities believe vaccines are safe, and would not normally attribute a death to a vaccine and actually report it."
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:20 pm

Zero deaths is true.  The second number is suspect.

According to Newsweek at LINK:
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But then there’s the second number: more than a hundred deaths as a direct result of having received a measles vaccine since 2004. This is the one that should strike you as off. And that’s because that figure comes not from the CDC but from the National Vaccine Information Center, a 501(c)3 nonprofit founded in 1982 for parents whose children suffered brain injury or death—they said—as a result of having received vaccines The group campaigns against mandatory vaccination laws, including those that require children to get the measles vaccines to attend public school, for example...

...There’s one more way in which the anti-vaxxers misconstrue this statistic. While it’s true some people may have died as a result of the measles vaccine, many more would have died without them. According to the WHO, the measles vaccine prevented about 15.6 million deaths from 2000 to 2013. Childhood measles remains a leading cause of blindness in developing countries. In places like Haiti, Bangladesh and sub-Saharan Africa, the measles vaccine led to an overall mortality reduction of between 30 and 86 percent from 1970 onward, according to a paper published in The Journal of Infectious Diseases by Drs. Robert Perry and Neal Halsey.

Those promoting this 108 number appear to be uninterested in widely accepted facts, and most don’t seem to understand the difference between correlation and causation. Or they just don’t care. Their primary interest, it seems, is in waging a PR war against the likes of the CDC. And if they win that battle, it could be a public health disaster for all of us.

Teo, I suspect the vaccine has prevented a few deaths here in the US... and caused a few.  In the US, medical treatment is so much better than third world countries, children won't die from measles unless they have compromised immunity from another disease.

I know your granddaughter died from a vaccination and my intention in this post was not to take away from your loss.  My apologies if it upset you.

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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:42 pm

I try not to be thin-skinned about it. I just really don't trust the medical community nor do I trust the pharmaceutical companies. They have unlimited budget to cover up things hide things Bury things and lie.
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:48 pm

The mainstream media is certainly not going to report anything negative about the pharmaceutical companies, considering every other commercial seems to be some drug that's going to save your life and do miracles but side effects might cause your ass to fall off.
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:18 pm

I could use some ass fallin' off, y'know.

I agree that the pharmaceutical industry has their own agenda. I was a rep right out of college and know how the party line works.

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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:25 pm

I took an exam with an insurance company to see if I had the attitude to be a salesman....the exam results said I would make a great forest ranger....alone in a tower .....
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:35 pm

... alone in a tower with a .50 Cal BMG sniper rifle, lol.

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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:12 am

I don't recall exact details but back when I worked for a surgeon I would hear over and over a comment in the video we would play for those people about to have surgery such as knee replacements, hip replacements, etc. One line that always stuck with me was this, "Medicine is not an exact science."

I think that was a fair statement. Unfortunately it is not fair to those who suffer from it's moments of not being "exact."
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:35 am

http://www.infowars.com/the-us-government-has-paid-out-3-billion-to-vaccine-injured-americans-since-1989/


The US Government Has Paid out $3 Billion to Vaccine-Injured Americans Since 1989
Unless you live in a cave and have NO access to television or the internet, you’ve likely been exposed to the Measles Mania that has swept America
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:54 am

On the Mayo Clinic's web page, they say that "Some experts say that half of the people over 80 will have had shingles", as the chance of getting shingles gets higher as you age.

Late last year I received the shingles vaccine, knowing that it was a live vaccine and that there is a chance I might get a mild case of it from the vaccine, but it would prevent more serious forms of the disease. I didn't have any side effects, thankfully.

My oldest brother died indirectly (kinda sorta) from shingles... it's a long story... so, I wanted to keep from getting shingles.

There are definitely risks involved with any vaccine.


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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:00 pm

Talked with my mom this morning (so thankful for that opportunity at her age!) and she said I had all my vaccines, which I knew, but I still had some strain of measles and also had mumps.  Go figure...

...and chickenpox at 25!
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:50 pm

SheWrites wrote:
I don't recall exact details but back when I worked for a surgeon I would hear over and over a comment in the video we would play for those people about to have surgery such as knee replacements, hip replacements, etc.  One line that always stuck with me was this, "Medicine is not an exact science."

I think that was a fair statement.  Unfortunately it is not fair to those who suffer from it's moments of not being "exact."
   


I had some cataract surgery done a couple of months ago and the anesthesiologist prior to the surgery read me a list of possible side effects. One of them said that I might "suffer demise."
I wonder how many people stop to think about what he was saying in such unplain language?

When it was over I told him I was very glad I was not presently suffering from demise.
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:57 am

I got torn retinas in both eyes a month after having LASIK done. I am sure retinal problems were one of the myriad things I acknowledged on that permission slip.

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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:45 pm

Eric wrote:
I got torn retinas in both eyes a month after having LASIK done.  I am sure retinal problems were one of the myriad things I acknowledged on that permission slip.


I think you are probably right. I've had about every eye surgery imaginable and I do know that torn retinas can even happen when you have cataract surgery if you're not very careful. I had cataract surgery a couple of months back and had to go to a retinal specialist before it could be done because there was some fear it might cause a tear back there. I had some kind of laser surgery done that solved the problem before it could happen, but I couldn't explain to you if my life depended on it what the laser did on my retina.
I've also had glaucoma drainage tubes put in and I have someone else's cornea so I've run the table.

But I'm sitting here right now with no need for glasses and excellent vision. Thank God I was born into this age of modern medicine and not out on the prairie 200 years ago. And without those damned money grubbing pharmaceutical companies I probably couldn't see today, so there's two sides to every argument.
I have to put drops in my eyes something like 5 times a day and they're the ones that invented them.
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:55 pm

Dang Eddard sure glad you didn't catch demise....
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PostSubject: Re: measles...   Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:38 pm

Me too. Ain't no vaccine to prevent that.
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