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TEOTWAWKI

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PostSubject: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyTue Sep 30, 2014 8:39 pm

Guys listen, this shit is scary. I get it, ok? I do. The human population of this world has always been kept in check by viruses, or some other method of sheer destruction. The Flu, Polio, Smallpox, you name it, these things have a purpose in nature. They keep populations under control.

Since the dawn of the industrial age we began to outsmart them all. We Vaccinate against the flu, we all but eradicated Polio in this country. We had beaten our enemies into near submission, and as a result, the worlds population has exploded. But our Genius is beginning to catch up with us. Anti-biotic resistant bacteria is on the rise, the flu is devising new ways to counter attack our defenses. And Ebola, well, lets just say it's doing what all viruses do. It's trying to survive, it's trying to find a way to use our own immune system against us. Think about this for a minute...

The Flu infects you, your body goes into defensive mode, realizing that it must expel the invader. So your own body fills your lungs with mucus and fluid, which forces you to cough. This is the real genius of the flu. It actually depends on your immune response to spread itself. And it doesn't have much time to do it either. Because your body begins to increase it's own temperature. Yes, having a fever is an immune response, not caused by the flu, rather it is literally your body attempting to make you so hot that the protein coat protecting the flu virus breaks down, allowing your white cells to attack.

This is what all viruses do. ALL of them. They find a way to exploit your natural immune responses to propagate themselves.

Ebola.... once just a hemorrhagic fever on steroids, now is a bona-fide menace. I work in a hospital laboratory at a major hospital in a major Metro Area. My wife works clinical micro for the same company. I'm very well versed in just about everything a STAT lab in a hospital can, and does do. My wife on the other hand, actually majored in micro, with emphasis on virology. So I wanted you all to know a few things about this outbreak that became apparent to us as it began to spread.

#1. Something has changed. This virus used to have a much shorter incubation period. And it would kill within a week. The mortality rate was much higher once upon a time. However, this is not the case anymore. Based on the sheer number of infected, the virus it seems, may have found a way to transmit itself easier. Typically when a virus "evolves" it gains in one area, while giving ground in another. It makes sense to me that Ebola gave up alot of it's lethality, for the ability to spread itself easier, and incubate much, much longer.

#2. Africa is a mess. There is no way to tell how many are infected. Once upon a time Ebola would strike a village and wipe everyone out, and that was it. It would kill so fast that it could not spread out of the hotzone. Because of what I said above that is not the case anymore. On a continent where borders still mean very little to the native population, it is a scary mix. Even if the CDC or the WHO wanted to get accurate numbers, it would be hopeless due to the unknown number or people that distrust western medicine, refuse to get help, or wander around from village to village. The infrastructure simply does not have the same capabilities we do in the west.

#3. Even in the United States, out of all the various hospitals I have worked at, there is no hope of containing anything like this. One of the largest hospitals I worked at only had two reverse flow isolation rooms. TWO, let that sink in for a minute. If this thing goes as bad as some think it will, we are, quite literally, screwed. Patients only show up to the hospital when they go symptomatic. So by the time they get there, they've already infected their entire family, their work group, and anyone they got within a few feet of on the way to the hospital. When they get there the ER nurses would treat it either like Flu, or Sepsis. But the whole time the patient is infecting all of them. And all of them, in turn, begin to infect everyone else in the exact same way. If this is as virulent as the WHO thinks it might be, by the time people realize what is going on, there will be more sick people than there would be beds available at every hospital in the US combined.

#4. Testing blood for anything is not as simple as looking under a microscope. And hospital labs are not set up for exotic virology. We run basic Chemistries, Cardiac enzymes, blood counts, sed rates, drug levels, bacterial cultures, all the basic hands on shit. The kind of things that old people usually present for, blood loss, infection, and cardiac events. Anything exotic gets sent out. Sometimes to the State lab, most of the time specimens get sent across the country to Quest Diagnostics, or to other organizations actually set up for it. Your average city hospital is pitifully, laughably, not ready for anything of this nature. Sure, running a CBC can tell if you are dehydrated, it can tell of you are loosing blood, it can tell if you are fighting "something" off. It just can't tell what. A sed rate can determine if you have excess inflammation, but it can't tell you why. A Lactic Acid level can indicate Sepsis, but it can't tell you from what. The point is, at the early stages of an outbreak, people will get treated for run of the mill things. Because nothing a hospital can test immediately will be able to tell anyone that you are carrying the most deadly hemorrhagic fever currently known. Honestly, if a person came into a busy ER with a fever, the triage nurse would put them in the waiting room until a non urgent room opened up in the back. They simply have no way to know who is carrying what.

I'm not saying we're all gonna die. This thing could fizzle out. And everything could be fine. What I am trying to illustrate here is that just because a lab exists in a hospital, does not mean that it can tell you everything. There are triage algorithms that work for everyday field medicine, but nothing for an outbreak. Thinking that living in a developed nation will curb the spread is ridiculous. If anything, it makes it worse. Our commute, our workplaces, our homes, our methods of entertainment, all of those things that we love so much about living in the the west, are the things that viruses depend on to spread.

If this virus truly has found a way to transmit easier, the healthcare system would be completely overloaded with something they simply can not handle.

Anyway, I'm not trying to scare anyone, I just hope people can be realistic about the capabilities of hospital containment, hospital laboratory testing, and the fact that the healthcare system, in ANY country, could not handle a massive outbreak.

So don't expect miracles from front line hospital staff, we don't have the tools, and we certainly do not have the manpower. Ask anyone in the medical field how much overtime they could work if they felt like it, don't even get me started on how thinly stretched people in the industry are. Though I suppose if this does turn into something, that will become apparent very, very fast.

Good luck, don't freak out, wash your hands, be prepared, hug your kids.

That is all
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyTue Sep 30, 2014 8:48 pm

That is enough.
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyTue Sep 30, 2014 9:04 pm

Mutation......Ebola was first diagnosed in the mid 70's....now it has found away to change and grow.
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyTue Sep 30, 2014 9:07 pm

Like he said it used to kill off a village in a week and disappear, now it's a slow roll of the dice.
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyTue Sep 30, 2014 9:32 pm

I was impressed by the fact that a virus isn't alive, by normal standards anyway.

Viruses do not take in nutrients or excrete waste products.  All they are is DNA and RNA and usually have a protein coat.  They exist because they take over the host's cells with instructions to make more viruses.  The cells then make more viruses until the cells burst with a plethora of new viruses to spread to the rest of the host's body.

They could only be chemicals that somehow evolved to make more of themselves using a host... and continues to evolve through natural selection.
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyTue Sep 30, 2014 9:41 pm

Pretty smart for a brainless fragment of a cell....pretty bad ass also....
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyTue Sep 30, 2014 9:45 pm

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Pretty smart for a brainless fragment of a cell....pretty bad ass also....

Makes me think of Jurraissac Park, when Jeff Goldblum says "Nature, um, will find a way."
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyWed Oct 01, 2014 7:43 am

I agree with this person. This is a very real problem no matter what the gov tells us

I want you to think about this for a second, it spreads easier than HIV

We have millions of infected with HIV

We are under a biological attack, look around

This virus on the loose in metropolitan cities that even after survival can spread sexually

We are in big trouble

I hope they have stopped all travel from Africa

They won't and even just a few days ago Obama gave liberians a additional 2 year visa, so in the last few days I wonder how many fled to the USA?

And I wonder if the man in Dallas is a Muslim and went to Liberia to get infected on purpose and how many like him might there be?

I have one word left, bleach!
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyWed Oct 01, 2014 12:33 pm

Airports need to be responsible for questioning travellers arriving in the country....foreign or returning citizens. How the hell can TSA handle that when they are busy feeling up passengers?

When I recently flew out of Orlando International.....yes really an International airport....the security line was really long. It looked like the line to a Disney ride during the busiest time. My son in law and I were pulled out of the line and sent to a small station. They told my sil to hold out his hands....they put a solution on his hands then used a black light. When they finished I held out mine and asked what they were screening for. TSA said explosive residue. They didn't test my hands.....TSA said, if his hands are clean so are yours......then they sent us to the front of the line and through security. We by passed the baggage xray, skipped personal xray, and never removed our shoes.


This is bullshit.....their job is to provide passenger safety and maintain airline security.  Dammit, I was pissed.....did they think I was not capable of handling explosives. My daughter said, they just figured out I was old and senile....and that is what really upset me.
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyWed Oct 01, 2014 4:53 pm

Poor Joanie... upset for not getting felt up by the TSA. And that was the hot thing she was looking forward to on that vacation. LOL Laughing
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Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect   This guys seems to know Ebola.....from a technical aspect EmptyFri Oct 03, 2014 9:17 am

In reality......TSA needs to be more vigilant. I still believe they should be highly trained. Ex military personnel that follows the protocol of Israel would be optimum.

Israel profiles individuals as soon as a ticket is purchased.
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PLEASE NOTE: Americans are still far more likely to die of being denied Medicaid expansion than Ebola.- LOLGOP

Ebola hits Texas, where Rick Perry continues to refuse Medicaid expansion. You guys still interested in secession?- John Fugelsang
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