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PostSubject: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:35 pm




Lake Oroville, Ca Before And After Pictures


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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:41 pm

Where indeed.

So, what are they doing about it?  I read a month or so ago that their consumption was ahead of last year's consumption.  

Get it while you can, boys and girls.

And at least one municipality is FORCING people to water their lawns.  (Can't have dead lawns, now, can we?  It hurts property values.)

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:47 pm

Obama is importing smaller people from Mexico that use less water.....

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:01 pm

Y'know, when the taps start to run dry, there will be a lot of surges in the water mains and that'll disrupt all the crud that has stuck to the inside of the pipes over the years... sludge soup!

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:02 pm

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:03 pm

Eric wrote:
Y'know, when the taps start to run dry, there will be a lot of surges in the water mains and that'll disrupt all the crud that has stuck to the inside of the pipes over the years... sludge soup!


I read where the water mains in LA are failing from age and California has no money to upgrade them....
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:17 pm

Where exactly is that particular bridge?

I looked up that lake and it has a dam. The reason I was curious was that part of the exposed land looks like it has been recently deforested. There are actually still some trees in that photo.

and I was curious as to if they were not opening the dam. Because that lake provides for a lot of services. services listed below.

Lake Oroville is a keystone facility of the State Water Project amd its largest reservoir with a capacity of 3.5 million acre-feet. (One acre-foot equals 325,900 gallons.)

Lake Oroville and Oroville Dam are part of a complex which includes Hyatt Powerplant, Thermalito Diversion Dam and Powerplant, the Feather River Fish Hatchery, Thermalito Power Canal, Thermalito Forebay, Thermalito Pumping- Generating Plant, Thermalito Afterbay, and the Lake Oroville Visitors Center.

The Oroville-Thermalito Complex was designed as an efficient water and power system. It stores about 3.5 million acre-feet and generates power from releases made through Hyatt Powerplant and two other Thermalito generating plants. A special fish barrier dam was built to lead salmon and steelhead, returning to spawn, into the Feather River Fish Hatchery.

Water released from Lake Oroville is used to produce electricity by Hyatt Powerplant, located in the bedrock beneath Oroville Dam. Water can either enter the Feather River or be diverted by the Thermalito Diversion Dam.

Water diverted is used to generate power by the one-unit Thermalito Diversion Dam Powerplant.

From there the water enters the Thermalito Power Canal and flows into Thermalito Forebay. At the end of the forebay, water enters the Thermalito Afterbay and is used by the Thermalito Pumping-Generating Plant to produce electricity.

The plant can also pump water back to the lake to be reused for power generation at Hyatt Powerplant.

The Feather River Fish Hatchery and the Fish Barrier Pool are located along the Feather River below the lake and the visitors center is located near Lake Oroville.

http://water.ca.gov/swp/facilities/Oroville/index.cfm

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:36 pm

Sierra snowpack that normally provides about a third of the water for California cities and farms was at only 32 percent of its historical average in early April and with the spring melt underway now is down to 21 percent of its historical average for the date. Even with most of the stormy season behind us, the state’s key reservoirs remain well below normal levels. Lake Oroville in Butte County, the SWP’s principal reservoir, is at 52 percent of its 3.5 million acre-foot capacity (66 percent of its historical average for the date).

Delta Barriers Avoided and Drought Relief Actions For Fish Fast-Tracked
SACRAMENTO – Rain and snow from February and March storms have allowed the Department of Water Resources (DWR) to increase water contract allocations for State Water Project (SWP) deliveries from zero to five percent. Precipitation from these recent storms also eliminates the current need for rock barriers to be constructed in the Delta to prevent saltwater intrusion. Additional flexibility in salinity control requirements is being sought as an alternative to the Delta rock barriers that is less harmful for fish, wildlife, and other Delta water users. The Department of Fish and Wildlife (DFW) announced that it will fast-track actions to manage and reduce the drought’s impact on fish. (04/18/2014)
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http://www.water.ca.gov/news/archive/


snows not melting, too cold. this is my conclusion lol

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:14 pm

Well ive had a lot of fun trying to figure out which bridge this was.

Turns out there are 4 bridges in that area.

Bidwell Bar is just one of 4 high bridges that cross Lake Oroville. The other 3 include Enterprise Bridge, the West Branch of the Feather River Highway and Railroad bridges and the Canyon Creek bridge. 1.>
http://highestbridges.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bidwell_Bar_Bridge

2) http://bridgehunter.com/ca/butte/enterprise/

3) http://bridgehunter.com/ca/siskiyou/2C0049/

4) http://bridgehunter.com/ca/butte/120134/

I'm going with Enterprise bridge.

Beam me up scotty....

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:21 pm

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Sierra snowpack that normally provides about a third of the water for California cities and farms was at only 32 percent of its historical average in early April and with the spring melt underway now is down to 21 percent of its historical average for the date.   Even with most of the stormy season behind us, the state’s key reservoirs remain well below normal levels.   Lake Oroville in Butte County, the SWP’s principal reservoir, is at 52 percent of its 3.5 million acre-foot capacity (66 percent of its historical average for the date).

Delta Barriers Avoided and Drought Relief Actions For Fish Fast-Tracked
SACRAMENTO – Rain and snow from February and March storms have allowed the Department of Water Resources (DWR) to increase water contract allocations for State Water Project (SWP) deliveries from zero to five percent. Precipitation from these recent storms also eliminates the current need for rock barriers to be constructed in the Delta to prevent saltwater intrusion. Additional flexibility in salinity control requirements is being sought as an alternative to the Delta rock barriers that is less harmful for fish, wildlife, and other Delta water users. The Department of Fish and Wildlife (DFW) announced that it will fast-track actions to manage and reduce the drought’s impact on fish. (04/18/2014)
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http://www.water.ca.gov/news/archive/


snows not melting, too cold. this is my conclusion lol

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You are joking, right?

Sorry. I have to ask... It is hard to tell over the internet sometimes. And it's even harder to tell when it's you, Chrissy. :]
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:24 pm

Eric wrote:
Where indeed.

So, what are they doing about it?  I read a month or so ago that their consumption was ahead of last year's consumption.  

Get it while you can, boys and girls.

And at least one municipality is FORCING people to water their lawns.  (Can't have dead lawns, now, can we?  It hurts property values.)

Indeed I read (and may have posted one of them) about one case where one municipality was fining people for having dead lawns at the same time they were fining people for wasting water for watering their lawns. I wish I could remember what cities those were.

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:28 pm

Eric wrote:
Where indeed.

So, what are they doing about it?  I read a month or so ago that their consumption was ahead of last year's consumption.  

Get it while you can, boys and girls.

And at least one municipality is FORCING people to water their lawns.  (Can't have dead lawns, now, can we?  It hurts property values.)

This is a little misleading, E. There are several regions (like the Humboldt and Sacramento areas) that are using far less water than last year. There are other regions (namely LA) that are using more water than last year. Because of the concentrated number of assholes in the LA area, the average puts the entire state slightly (like 0.01%) above last year's usage.

I'm pretty sure I have the data in my email... I'll see if I can pull it up and post it.

^Above just goes to show how much real Californians hate people from LA. We won't even count them as part of our state unless forced to.
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:39 am

In or joking.

I read several articles on how cooler temperatures has slowed the ice melt which reduces the water run off last night.

And really when you just think about it for a second it makes sense. If the water is bound in ice form it's not liquid lol

It's happened before plenty of times where the snow doesn't melt as much resulting in less water for the resivores
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:30 am

and perhaps people shouldn't mess with mother nature.

If your freezing it over here, you have diverted it from somewhere else.
http://www.dri.edu/synopsis
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/can-cloud-seeding-help-ease-californias-drought

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle

If its not in liquid form, where is it? It didn't hop off the planet.

oh darnit. I know. its in the sea from global warming. That happened 5 million yars ago when we first invented cars and trains.
http://www.geologypage.com/2013/07/global-warming-5-million-years-ago.html#ixzz3BOqNled0

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:50 am

It might be me... I drink alot of ice water. ( ;
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:12 am

Chrissy* wrote:
In or joking.

I read several articles on how cooler temperatures has slowed the ice melt which reduces the water run off last night.

And really when you just think about it for a second it makes sense. If the water is bound in ice form it's not liquid lol

It's happened before plenty of times where the snow doesn't melt as much resulting in less water for the resivores

That's not what is happening in California. They are experiencing a horrific drought, and the last of the snow melted out of the Sierras in early June at the very latest.
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:20 pm

I know they are having a drought

But that bridge is on a dam/ resivore and I also read that in 2009 it was a gov goal to decrease the water level in that resivore to prepare for flooding

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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:08 pm

http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/17/how-not-to-address-the-soviet-republic-o

http://theweek.com/articles/550126/marketbased-solution-californias-water-crisis

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/worst-drought-in-california-history-not-really/
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:42 pm

PkrBum wrote:
http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/17/how-not-to-address-the-soviet-republic-o

http://theweek.com/articles/550126/marketbased-solution-californias-water-crisis

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/worst-drought-in-california-history-not-really/

You're pretty on-target with all three of these articles from my perspective. The issue of diverting water away from ag-lands in favor of environmentalist concerns is a real problem. Of course, the salmon runs, etc. are also their favored rivers to go rafting on, so go figure.

I am pretty hot these days because LA has already stolen all the water out of the Owen's Valley, now they're working on stealing all the water out of Alaska too.

http://www.adn.com/article/20150414/long-anticipated-bulk-water-exports-sitka-start-summer-businessman-says
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:08 pm

I don't think people realize that drought is the predominant climate for california... and the last 70-80 years is the anomaly. That area didn't traditionally support high water crops... not naturally anyway. That only began in the last century as technology and a very favorable wet period prevailed. I think what we'll see is a shift of those cash crops back to the midwest... where the climate can naturally support them. California won't be able to maintain it's nanny state on wheat... it's going to be a rough dose of reality.
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:46 pm

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I don't think people realize that drought is the predominant climate for california... and the last 70-80 years is the anomaly. That area didn't traditionally support high water crops... not naturally anyway. That only began in the last century as technology and a very favorable wet period prevailed. I think what we'll see is a shift of those cash crops back to the midwest... where the climate can naturally support them. California won't be able to maintain it's nanny state on wheat... it's going to be a rough dose of reality.

There are areas of California that are naturally agrarian outside of a drought environment, but you're right... not a lot of it, and when they do stupid things like grow carrots and onions in the Mojave Desert with water stolen from the Owen's Valley, well it makes you wonder about their sanity altogether.

The individual people aren't helping anything either... it's also supporting 39 million people that are using water in ways that are questionable at best... car washes and watering lawns would not be big on my priority list if I were them.
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PostSubject: Re: Water shortage in California ? where   Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:31 pm



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