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PostSubject: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:14 pm

Charles Krauthammer said Monday on “Special Report with Bret Baier” that the U.S. cannot treat the thousands of illegal immigrants flooding across the border as refugees because that would only be “importing the problem” from their home countries.

Krauthammer, a syndicated columnist and a Fox News contributor, said he would spend a “lot of money” to use American resources to help the countries on their own soil. He suggested sending American personnel and funds to help establish centers in Central and South American countries to provide a refuge from the violence plaguing the citizens.

However, he said treating the illegal immigrants as refugees and allowing them to stay in the U.S. is not the solution.

“We cannot do that as a country, open our borders up, because of miserable conditions in certain countries,” he said. “Otherwise the Congo would empty and end up here."

He said if the U.S. were to give illegal immigrants treat the immigrants as refugees, the government may as well send buses to collect the immigrants because the border would be basically open.

Importing the problem into the US is, to me, unacceptable,” he said, “because it means we don’t have a border.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/14/krauthammer-giving-illegal-immigrants-refugee-status-would-import-problem/

How do you all feel about the idea of going into their country with our soldiers and cash and helping them build their nation?
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:47 pm

I think it's a stupid idea because it effectively accomplishes the same damned thing as allowing them in... we're taking responsibility for them and their problems, and worse yet, in their countries with our military forces. In the grand scheme it would seem better to offer them refuge here than have US military forces spread out all over Central and South America. Where does it end? Where do we draw the line and say that we'll take care of illegal immigrants seeking refuge from El Salvador (just for example), but not from the Congo (to use his example)??

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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:51 am

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How do you all feel about the idea of going into their country with our soldiers and cash and helping them build their nation?

Total waste of time as we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan recently.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:56 am

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*~Tree~* wrote:

How do you all feel about the idea of going into their country with our soldiers and cash and helping them build their nation?

Total waste of time as we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan recently.


     Todays' report....60,000 have recently entered illegally.....40... FORTY...Returned to Honduras!!   That's taking on the problem...
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:04 am

Stop ALL aid to the countries that are sending them or allowing them to travel to the border, ESPECIALLY Mexico.. If Mexico enforced their southern borders, that would solve a big part of the problem..
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:19 am

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Stop ALL aid to the countries that are sending them or allowing them to travel to the border, ESPECIALLY Mexico..  If Mexico enforced their southern borders, that would solve a big part of the problem..

Kind of amazing how they can close their eyes to 50,000 kids wandering around - of course their gov't authorities are so corrupt smugglers probably just load up buses and cruise right on through.

I don't think anyone could not be sympathetic to these kids problems but this country can't even properly care for all the legal citizen foster youth now let alone thousands more noncitizen kids with absolutely no support structure.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:26 am

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Stop ALL aid to the countries that are sending them or allowing them to travel to the border, ESPECIALLY Mexico..  If Mexico enforced their southern borders, that would solve a big part of the problem..


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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:28 am

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Stop ALL aid to the countries that are sending them or allowing them to travel to the border, ESPECIALLY Mexico..  If Mexico enforced their southern borders, that would solve a big part of the problem..

Kind of amazing how they can close their eyes to 50,000 kids wandering around - of course their gov't authorities are so corrupt smugglers probably just load up buses and cruise right on through.

I don't think anyone could not be sympathetic to these kids problems but this country can't even properly care for all the legal citizen foster youth now let alone thousands more noncitizen kids with absolutely no support structure.

The Iowa Governor is the latest to tell the Feds....Don't drop them here!...This is politics and the cowh is refusing to address the problem.. he's refusing to go and see the problem and the effect...
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:16 pm

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I think it's a stupid idea because it effectively accomplishes the same damned thing as allowing them in... we're taking responsibility for them and their problems, and worse yet, in their countries with our military forces. In the grand scheme it would seem better to offer them refuge here than have US military forces spread out all over Central and South America. Where does it end? Where do we draw the line and say that we'll take care of illegal immigrants seeking refuge from El Salvador (just for example), but not from the Congo (to use his example)??


I agree. I also say no to nation building.

We must send these people back.No to refugee status too. That's what they are using to keep lots of these people here. I guarantee you if we could get access to the real pictures of who these people are, they are NOT all little children. We are being manipulated.

If they want to increase legal migration, then do so modestly.

But the borders must be shut, because I do agree with him on one thing, we have no country if we have no border.

ie: north American union
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:43 pm

I've never been too interested in anything Charles Krautheimer had to say.

This little saying sticks in my mind though:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


It makes me sick to see Americans standing on our side of the border saying Jesus wouldn't break the law by crossing into the US.
I don't know if I'm angrier at the screwed up way people try to use Jesus or at the Americans who think this place belonged to us originally and we can't take a single more person of color over our borders.

And GET REAL. All Rick Perry wanted Obama to go to the border for was to get a photo op of Obama being nice to the kids who had just come across illegally so his party could use it against the Democrats in the fall election.

Obama is not that stupid. Too bad for the gubner.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:18 pm

What do you want otter? Open borders?

No checks and balances, free for all just coming in not assimilating to our customs but yet running to get the fruits of American labor all the while raising flags in salute to the country they left at the same time degrading this country they came to, including our election system and laws of which they do NOT respect.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:44 pm

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What do you want otter? Open borders?

No checks and balances, free for all just coming in not assimilating to our customs but yet running to get the fruits of American labor all the while raising flags in salute to the country they left at the same time degrading this country they came to, including our election system and laws of which they do NOT respect.


I want refugees to be considered refugees. These kids are coming from some dangerous places and need to find safety. Your idea that all of them are taking our jobs, not assimilating into our customs and degrading our country is repellant to me. I can't even see where anyone with any humanity can think that way. No , of course we don't need open borders, but we don't need to pick and choose what we call illegal immigrants and what we call needy refugees by the borders that they come across or by whether they come from Canada or England or Australia,  which are just fine, or whether they are Spanish speaking people with brown skin. And I'll guarantee you that the language they speak and the color of their skin is impacting the feelings of Americans towards these kids. And they are "running to get the fruits of American Labor?" How ridiculous. They are doing our labor for us, they're picking our tobacco and cleaning our toilets. There are kids in North Carolina being poisoned by tobacco from working in the fields ten and twelve hours a day who have never smoked a cigarette in their lives. They are immigrant kids doing dirty work that no American kid would do and it's making them physically ill.

I've known a good many Hispanic people who I'd much rather have in this country than some of the moronic, gun toting, homophobic, racist and judgmental Americans that were born here. You are making moral judgments on people because of the piece of land they were born on. No, I don't accept that as a value I want my country to be seen as having.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:52 pm

I'm not making moral judgments you are

We have legal immigration

You're just trying to justify your urge to have open borders as your puppet masters demand you demand

These are not refugees


If you want to call them refugees then you may as well have open borders for most countries are not as prosperous as this one

But don't worry. Soon with your open border plan we won't know the difference between any countries

We will be a 3rd world nation

My children and grand children say thanks for giving away thier future
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:50 am

I don't think Otter has any puppet masters, unless perhaps it's Pepper.  cheers

I know our Budster is a master puppet master!
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:49 am

Melissa wrote:
I don't think Otter has any puppet masters, unless perhaps it's Pepper.  cheers

I know our Budster is a master puppet master!

LOL I suppose so. I admit mine is a little bit of a puppet master herself.  Razz 

How do you feel about this PB?

open borders or legal immigration?

FYI, let me reiterate, I know we have to take care of these small children who are by themselves. But still send them back.

otter tried the brown skin tactic on me and I don't buy it. Otter should know that those people coming up from way down there are about the same color as me lol
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:02 am

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I'm not making moral judgments you are

We have legal immigration

You're just trying to justify your urge to have open borders as your puppet masters demand you demand

These are not refugees


If you want to call them refugees then you may as well have open borders for most countries are not as prosperous as this one

But don't worry. Soon with your open border plan we won't know the difference between any countries

We will be a 3rd world nation

My children and grand children say thanks for giving away thier future


Read the article about Lynn, Mass and the impact of the illegals being dumped there....
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:43 am

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What do you want otter? Open borders?

No checks and balances, free for all just coming in not assimilating to our customs but yet running to get the fruits of American labor all the while raising flags in salute to the country they left at the same time degrading this country they came to, including our election system and laws of which they do NOT respect.


I want refugees to be considered refugees.

Have you offered to provide housing to even one family or child?

They are not refugees. They have options to enter this country but choose instead to enter illegally. What other laws are you willing to ignore so you can feel better about yourself?

Refugee: a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Illegal immigration refers to the migration of people across national borders, or the residence of foreign nationals in a country, in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country.

Asylum: Every year people come to the United States seeking protection because they have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:
• Race
• Religion
• Nationality
• Membership in a particular social group
• Political opinion
If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:08 am

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Otter wrote:
*~Tree~* wrote:
What do you want otter? Open borders?

No checks and balances, free for all just coming in not assimilating to our customs but yet running to get the fruits of American labor all the while raising flags in salute to the country they left at the same time degrading this country they came to, including our election system and laws of which they do NOT respect.


I want refugees to be considered refugees.

Have you offered to provide housing to even one family or child?

They are not refugees. They have options to enter this country but choose instead to enter illegally. What other laws are you willing to ignore so you can feel better about yourself?

Refugee: a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Illegal immigration refers to the migration of people across national borders, or the residence of foreign nationals in a country, in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country.

Asylum: Every year people come to the United States seeking protection because they have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:
• Race
• Religion
• Nationality
• Membership in a particular social group
• Political opinion
If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.

Rep. Lewis (D-GA) gets to social network and says "OUR DOORS ARE OPEN"...There's a message that will certainly do no good for this problem...Will this encourage 'parents(?) to risk the lives of more children?...Also in the report that coyotes running humans are making $50,000 plus...if true think this is a grassroots effort?

In another divisive issue the democrats ask republicans...are you going to support these children that will be born?...Well are democrats (and others that support) going to financially support these children?...
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:57 am

Have I offered to provide a home for one of the refugees?

Nobody has asked but I would certainly think about it.


There's just no way I can understand your thinking or tree's thinking on this issue. In the first place, total immigration over the Mexican border is the lowest it's been in years. If you don't believe that, check the article in the USA today section of the News Journal just today. The only difference is that these are younger immigrants and they come from farther South. They come from nations practically ruled by drug lords and where child exploitation and kidnapping seems to be a national pastime.  They are young people who come here because they are afraid.

Like I said, I will never get your point of view in a million years, and if I ever do, I hope I can figure out a way to kick myself.  
You honestly need to quit asking when Democrats will support these children when you are politically savvy enough to know that your party refuses to pass any kind of immigration reform or provide funding for the kids. It doesn't matter that Obama has asked for it and it's your side that refuses.You just keep on spinning. You can fool some people some of the time (mostly Republicans) but you can't fool all the people all of the time.

That's nothing but talking points and spin. I'm sure you must watch Fox news regularly.


And I don't have to "feel better about" myself. I can look in the mirror every morning and see somebody I like and respect. That's very important to me. It always has been.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:06 pm

I'm glad you're happy with yourself, Otter.

Not making fun of you.



I have respect for immigrants that come here, work hard, do things lazy Americans don't want to do.

Two things I don't like... like Jake has said so many times, they shouldn't expect to be cared for or be eligible for benefits that Americans have paid for... and they need to learn to speak English.

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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:05 pm

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Have I offered to provide a home for one of the refugees?

Nobody has asked but I would certainly think about it.


That's nothing but talking points and spin. I'm sure you must watch Fox news regularly.


And I don't have to "feel better about" myself. I can look in the mirror every morning and see somebody I like and respect. That's very important to me. It always has been.

I know you hate that word but there it is; probably doesn't stand a chance though - and not just because of R's.

Texas lawmakers unveil bipartisan fix to child immigrant crisis at border

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/07/15/texas-lawmakers-unveil-bipartisan-fix-to-child-immigrant-crisis-at-border/
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:32 pm

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Have I offered to provide a home for one of the refugees?

Nobody has asked but I would certainly think about it.


There's just no way I can understand your thinking or tree's thinking on this issue. In the first place, total immigration over the Mexican border is the lowest it's been in years. If you don't believe that, check the article in the USA today section of the News Journal just today. The only difference is that these are younger immigrants and they come from farther South. They come from nations practically ruled by drug lords and where child exploitation and kidnapping seems to be a national pastime.  They are young people who come here because they are afraid.

Like I said, I will never get your point of view in a million years, and if I ever do, I hope I can figure out a way to kick myself.  
You honestly need to quit asking when Democrats will support these children when you are politically savvy enough to know that your party refuses to pass any kind of immigration reform or provide funding for the kids. It doesn't matter that Obama has asked for it and it's your side that refuses.You just keep on spinning.  You can fool some people some of the time (mostly Republicans) but you can't fool all the people all of the time.

That's nothing but talking points and spin. I'm sure you must watch Fox news regularly.


And I don't have to "feel better about" myself. I can look in the mirror every morning and see somebody I like and respect. That's very important to me. It always has been.

Great post.Otter! Nothing like putting people in their place.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:38 pm

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Otter wrote:

Great post.Otter! Nothing like putting people in their place.

Who might that be? LOL!
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:33 pm

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Have I offered to provide a home for one of the refugees?

Nobody has asked but I would certainly think about it.


That's nothing but talking points and spin. I'm sure you must watch Fox news regularly.


And I don't have to "feel better about" myself. I can look in the mirror every morning and see somebody I like and respect. That's very important to me. It always has been.

I know you hate that word but there it is; probably doesn't stand a chance though - and not just because of R's.

Texas lawmakers unveil bipartisan fix to child immigrant crisis at border

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/07/15/texas-lawmakers-unveil-bipartisan-fix-to-child-immigrant-crisis-at-border/



That's nothing but an effort to get rid of the kids quicker before they can build a decent legal case for staying. Bipartisan can mean that one or two party members of a party cross-over and go with the other side of an issue.
Of course a Texas democrat is going to go along with it. He wants to keep his spot in Congress. Texans stole their state from Hispanics over a hundred years ago and they don't want any possibility that the kind of  people who were there before them might overwhelm their state again. But guess what my friend- it is going to happen.    You can get by with calling it bipartisan if you like that spin but I'll guarantee you most democrats will reject it.


And I don't hate the word bipartisan. It's just that it does not exist anymore in Congress. The Republicans met shortly after Obama was elected and promised to never let him get a piece of legislation through if they could stop  it. They don't want bipartisan. They want control back.
And with their gerrymandering of districts they might get it this fall, but eventually we'll have a Supreme Court that will stop the foolishness and return Congress to the voters. The American people are not going to stand for their votes not counting for many more years. It will probably be the overwhelming Hispanic vote that will be responsible for some of the change.
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PostSubject: Re: Krauthammer: US cannot treat illegal immigrants as refugees   Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:51 pm

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I'm glad you're happy with yourself, Otter.

Not making fun of you.





I have respect for immigrants that come here, work hard, do things lazy Americans don't want to do.

Two things I don't like... like Jake has said so many times, they shouldn't expect to be cared for or be eligible for benefits that Americans have paid for... and they need to learn to speak English.


Here's where I might differ with you Eric. No, I don't think they should cross the border and ask for a welfare check either. But I do believe that decent healthcare is a human rights issue. And I don't mind my taxes going to help pay for an illegal immigrant's healthcare.
As for learning to speak English, Spanish is a beautiful language but since I know that Hispanic kids are learning English in our schools every day, and are working hard to get decent jobs and educations, I'm not worried one bit about their not learning English.  Every group that has assimilated into America so far, Greeks, Germans and most Vietnamese have learned English. And I say most Vietnamese because that is a particular culture that seems to want to hold tightly to their language, but you don't hear a lot of Americans complaining about it. Their young people learn English in school but the older people refuse to speak English at home. Whether you realize it or not, the problem with learning English is much less with hispanic immigrants than it is with some Asian immigrants. Of course, it is more difficult for Asians  to learn English than it is for Hispanics because of the common origins of English and Spanish. That could have something to do with it.


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