Shipyard shootings...

Once again both the media and politicians have missed the point...been inaccurate...and have placed an anti-gun mentality over addressing violence...First when the mayor of DC can at a press conference and blame the shootings on 'sequestration' and not one journalist(?) in attendence whould even ask the mayor to explain with some facts how sequestration and this incident were connected...the media began reporting that there was an assault rifle involved when there wasn't...the cowh mentioned once again we are confronting another tragedy involving a rifle...not the case at all but when a political agenda is being driven why allow facts get into the way...It didn't take long for the usual suspects like Feinstein...Reid and others to slither out from under their rocks and begin to play the blame game and the urgent need for more gun legislation...and yet they are not held accountable for accuracy in their statements...This happended on a military base where the individuals that go abroad and PROTECT...SERVE...and place themselves in harm's way to protect FREEDOM are not allowed to carry firearms or even be treated as responsible enough to have firearms in their on base housing....Military members are being discriminated against and perhaps Al..Jesse and others should demand an investigation why they are not afforded with the same Constitutional Rights as other citizens...These folks defend the Constitution and yet they are not allowed to utilize their Second Amendment Rights?...Just may have made a difference here and in Ft Hood had a POS encountered armed personnel or at least personnel that had access to protection....

It's amazing how spineless politicians never fail to latch onto a tragedy and turn it into a political football. Their ignorance is astounding.

I knew the gun control bastards would come out of the woodwork after this shooting.

Obama has said that those people who are against gun control after this shooting are just serving special interest groups... as if to say that they are in lobbyists pockets.

Well, I am not a lobbyist, not in the NRA, have never talked to a pro-gun lobbyist, and I am against gun control legislation. That makes Obama a liar and an opportunist just like the other vermin that scurried out of the woodworks after this tragedy.

Eric wrote:

I knew the gun control bastards would come out of the woodwork after this shooting.

Obama has said that those people who are against gun control after this shooting are just serving special interest groups... as if to say that they are in lobbyists pockets.

Well, I am not a lobbyist, not in the NRA, have never talked to a pro-gun lobbyist, and I am against gun control legislation.  That makes Obama a liar and an opportunist just like the other vermin that scurried out of the woodworks after this tragedy.

Simply being a citizen and supporter of the Constitution/Second Amendment has suddenly made law abiding citizens to be the radicals...there's something wrong with that concept...

The problem is the poor mental health care system in this country. For some reason, this administration doesn't want to focus on that truth. Instead, they are using it to try to usher in gun control.

All of the recent shooters were mentally ill. None of them were receiving the treatment they needed.

Melissa (PB) wrote:

The problem is the poor mental health care system in this country. For some reason, this administration doesn't want to focus on that truth. Instead, they are using it to try to usher in gun control.

All of the recent shooters were mentally ill. None of them were receiving the treatment they needed.

And this latest had a mental health issue that was documented for hearing 'voices'...why when he reported this he wasn't immediately taken in for an evaluation is disturbing....part of the criteria for taking an individual in...inability to care for themselves....a harm to themselves and a harm to others...may not solve every aspect of this problem but it would have had this individual held for 72 hours and evaluated...but as with all cases it's going to boil down to the financial/insurance portion and who is going to pay...

I agree 100% that he should have been further evaluated and treated for the mental illness.. It comes down to who pays for it and who knows about it?? We fight for and demand our privacy rights, but is someones privacy (about mental health or a positive aids test) more important than the public's right to know about the dangers you place on the rest of society???? I bet every one of us would like to know about our children's mate's mental health and sexually transmitted disease history before they fall madly in love and decide to get married.. There was a prostitute in Charleston, SC who had aids.. She was mentally unstable and had 2 lawyers on her payrole.. 1 to get her released from jail due to being mentally unstable, and another to get her out of the mental hospital because she was not mentally unstable.. She passed aids to over 100 people back in the 90's.. None of the previous arrests, aids history, or mental health history was allowed to be brought up in court..

Jake92 wrote:

I agree 100% that he should have been further evaluated and treated for the mental illness..  It comes down to who pays for it and who knows about it??  We fight for and demand our privacy rights, but is someones privacy (about mental health or a positive aids test) more important than the public's right to know about the dangers you place on the rest of society????  I bet every one of us would like to know about our children's mate's mental health and sexually transmitted disease history before they fall madly in love and decide to get married..  There was a prostitute in Charleston, SC who had aids..  She was mentally unstable and had 2 lawyers on her payrole..  1 to get her released from jail due to being mentally unstable, and another to get her out of the mental hospital because she was not mentally unstable..  She passed aids to over 100 people back in the 90's..  None of the previous arrests, aids history, or mental health history was allowed to be brought up in court..

The fear is that someone may be treated for depression...ptsd...etc., and they would be flagged as a potential problem...If that would be the case the person needing medication may refuse because of future ramifications on their medical record or being treated and having it used against them...There has to be a distrust for the government to do the right thing...just look at the IRS scandal....NSA etc.,...not only did the agencies misuse/abuse their authority but used the obtained information against political enemies and then the man at the top of the heap (cowh) says if what was reported is wrong and heads will roll...and nothing happens one would certainly wonder if the government should be trusted to do the right thing in other circumstances...

I think the laws were made to protect the general population, but are being used to protect the very small vocal minority who are being backed by the politicians who are sitting there with their hands open for donations and more and more money no matter if they get it legally or illegally.. I think every politician should be replaced not only for failure to do the job they were elected to do, but also for NOT working out a compromise, and NOT publicising the names of the ones breaking the laws and not reporting the laws they broke.... That goes for BOTH parties as well as the TEA party.. I know a lot of it is he/she said and he/she did, but NOTHING is proven and the punishments are never reported.. What were the punishments given to the ones charged with tax evasion??

Jake92 wrote:

I think the laws were made to protect the general population, but are being used to protect the very small vocal minority who are being backed by the politicians who are sitting there with their hands open for donations and more and more money no matter if they get it legally or illegally..  I think every politician should be replaced not only for failure to do the job they were elected to do, but also for NOT working out a compromise, and NOT publicising the names of the ones breaking the laws and not reporting the laws they broke....  That goes for BOTH parties as well as the TEA party..  I know a lot of it is he/she said and he/she did, but NOTHING is proven and the punishments are never reported..  What were the punishments given to the ones charged with tax evasion??  

I agree - anyone currently holding office in the Congress ought to be voted out at the first opportunity. If an average American worker failed to do their job like those bonehead politicians they would be fired. Politicians should be held to the same standard.

In a perfect world, we would find equitable solutions and everybody would be happy.  I agree that this dude should have been evaluated for the 72 hours, but we don't have a crystal ball to tell us which mentally unstable patient is homicidal and which ones are harmless.

We tried a hundred hears ago to fix the problems and locked thousands of people in "Insane Asylums".  Like One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (where perfectly sane people were locked up and given electroshock and lobotomies) many people were locked up with no regard for their rights... or, if a powerful person wished, people were committed without a proper evaluation of their sanity, never to be seen again.

There is no easy answer to mental health, just like there is no easy answer to criminal justice.  At great expense, we house the highest percentage of criminals than any other country, but there is still crime on our streets.  Horrendous costs and abuses aside, we could go back to the days of the crowded insane asylums, but I doubt it would put a dent in the number of crimes caused by mentally unstable individuals.

Hindsight is perfect.  Yes, this guy should have gotten assistance for his psychotic "voices".  Would it have helped?  Would he have been committed?  I don't have that answer.

nochain wrote:

Jake92 wrote:

I think the laws were made to protect the general population, but are being used to protect the very small vocal minority who are being backed by the politicians who are sitting there with their hands open for donations and more and more money no matter if they get it legally or illegally..  I think every politician should be replaced not only for failure to do the job they were elected to do, but also for NOT working out a compromise, and NOT publicising the names of the ones breaking the laws and not reporting the laws they broke....  That goes for BOTH parties as well as the TEA party..  I know a lot of it is he/she said and he/she did, but NOTHING is proven and the punishments are never reported..  What were the punishments given to the ones charged with tax evasion??  

I agree - anyone currently holding office in the Congress ought to be voted out at the first opportunity. If an average American worker failed to do their job like those bonehead politicians they would be fired. Politicians should be held to the same standard.

So whatta do?.....The House has sent MUCH legislation to the Senate and their leader(?) Harry Reid made the decision to ignore and/or simply not put it up for a vote...Reid for some reason was just re-elected and we are stuck with his leadership or lackthereof for several years...perhaps if he wasn't the majority leader would help...It's kinda funny that some want some cooperation and yet some have re-elected the cowh who feels that he's always correct and refuses to include anyone from the opposition to work together...well except for his blunder with Syria then suddenly he needed the opposition party to get on board and McCain...Graham and others did what you'd expect no matter that it was a wrong position so there is the problem on display....sometimes cooperation isn't the best thing and in this case many conservatives and liberals were against taking action and yet the cowh says it's still an option and the US will go at it alone....maybe some of our citizens/voters should actually pay attention to the voting records of the people running rather than to see and vote for who's giving the most freebies....

A full day went by and nobody answered the question of "What were the punishments given to the ones charged with tax evasion??"